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Muddaihrsohn
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  Experimental Boosting? Fri, 08 August 2008 14:55
Today I try something new for me.

As some of You appologize for their behaviours, it must be a gorgeous feeling to destroy underdogs...

Lets say back to the roots - back to 2004 as Mudda was a small user (not a guest Mad ) and played anybody who crossed his way...

Tonight I am gonna play those who dont read those forums anyway, guests and lower ranked players in this lobby... Lets say 20 games...

I will summarize and face the facts here:

1. the fun factor (most important)
2. the time factor (similiar to games vs tops)
3. the ELO factor (how many points in 20 games added or sub)
4. the "suspense"-factor (we all love it!)

Back with report...

Muddaihrsohn
      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Fri, 08 August 2008 17:47
Mudda, make open games!


Laughing

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Re:Experimental Boosting? Fri, 08 August 2008 21:25
Looking forward to your report Smile
      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Fri, 08 August 2008 23:48
Hi

Nice experiment, but 20 games is not nearly enough. Play 100 or at least 50, that will say something, i believe.

bye, erps
      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sat, 09 August 2008 02:56
Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool. You're my hero. Very Happy
      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sat, 09 August 2008 04:04
Muddaihrsohn wrote on Fri, 08 August 2008 19:22

The losses just came because of non blocking, ticketfiending or one game with exactly 1(!) loko versus 11.



Ohhhhhh noooooooooo, excuses from the Muddddddddddaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! You quit, what a surprise. What happened to total destruction? Guess what? The losses came because you aren't as good as your mouth talks.

You have proved the point perfectly. Guess what happens when you get one loco? You need to figure out how to win it. And when they get great tickets, you need to block and figure out how to win it. It's not easy and requires a totally different skill set than playing top rated players.

The simplified example is this. There are 3 luck components to the game. Who goes first, tickets, locos/colors. In 12.5% of the games, all 3 go against you. You have to win a lot of these games to beat the average player and it is very hard to do.

As for boring, lets look at top games, there are then 25% of the games that will most probably be non competitive, when one gets all 3 of those luck factors, so yes lots of top games are boring. You're bored with these low people people cause 2 of them lit you up. It's not easy to stop them. Last night I lost 8 points, cause the guy hit 7 tickets against me. It was a 1 card difference, with 1 extra white or loco I block everything he has but I didn't get them and it was lights out. These type of games are extremely challenging and far from boring. You seem to forget all these type of losses that happen to people who play em all. You also overexaggerate the lopsided scores. A lot of mine are that way because of blocking and if they do get through like you let them, they score 130. If you block em they get 50. So, some of the lopsided scores are close games decided by well placed blocks that turn a close loss into a blowout victory.

2 other top players, White Train and pilke both described their attempts to beat my record using this approach and they posted in the forums how difficult it was to do. Also the statistics that Goscha put in the other forum where he got to 1809 with everyone and now only gets 1760 with top players misses the point. It's like 2 different eras, as the scores are now a lot lower than then, so those numbers are actually very comparable. His comparison is like trying to compare stats from the dead ball era in baseball vs. the juiced up steriod era.

It's not easy and you proved it, and I got my laugh of the day.

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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sat, 09 August 2008 06:57
I feel another great TTR argument coming on... now normally i'd pull up my comfy armchair, get the fire going, and settle in to watch the show, but why not put my 2 cents worth in?

I reckon there are three distinct types of games that the readers of this forum could undertake:

(1) Those limited just to the good players (roughly similar skills levels)
(2) Those against all comers
(3) Those against cheats (people playing with one account and watching with another)

I'm with Mudda (I would much rather play games where the opponents are roughly equal), but I can see there is a distinct intellectual challenge and discipline in winning consistently against all comers. So while Mudda and thekid exchange blows about the merits of (1) vs the merits of (2), here are my thoughts about (3)

I play my games open unless I want to exchange life news with some of my North American buddies (express, dizz, ty, love ya!) or get deep and meaningful with the Baron (who is an excellent conversationalist if you can get past the superficial appearances).

This means that every now and then one of the known cheats joins my games. And when I'm in the mood, I play them. Trust me, these games stretch the mind like nothing else. Not only do you have to worry about tickets, colours, starting position and more, but you also have to play in such a way that even when your reasonably competent opponent knows exactly what you are trying to acheive, and exactly what your end goal is, you can still win. The art here is to sucker them into using up key colours early, then constructing a route that would require these colours to block.

aka Alleyooper

ps, thekid, i'd argue that the odds of having all three things (colours, tickets, starting) against you is closer to 6% than 12%. For colours and tickets there are three possibilities rather than two : you have an advantage, you have a disadvantage, or you have roughly equal positions.
      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sat, 09 August 2008 11:07
Muddaihrsohn wrote on Sat, 09 August 2008 02:22

Puke - not once - not twice. at 14-3 i stop this, its fucking boring and as i played game 18 my internet explorer crashed and the complete reprt was gone!!! Damn...
Mudda




What we learned...

Use Mozilla Laughing
      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sat, 09 August 2008 11:36
Hi

I find this experiment interesting and today i started it too.

There are several problems with this:

1. The playing time: I started today in the morning (european time) and it was not really a good sample, because mostly good players joined my games. So it is no wonder that i lost 2 games against ironhorse1 and Hogwarts-Express. I won all games against N/A so far.

2. Not knowing who entered the game: I want a popup for the entering player. It's absurd. They know my score, me not. I want it even for guests. The problem is the switching of strategy. You have to play another style vs. the usual 1200 or some good guests or 1500 players. You know their style after 2 or 3 track lays, but this may be too late.

3. Java issues: Lucky in the last months the game didn't crash, but lately i have the slow game problem nearly every second game, so i have to restart after every game. And i am using firefox, newest java, all patches and so on. Of course it is possible to play but it is a nuisance to wait for your cards to fly in and knowing that you can't ask your 1200 opponent for waiting and rejoining. They mostly will simple not do this! So you have to play a sort of game i find very disturbing.

However, i managed to stay at my starting ELO with 10 games today and i included the stats.

ELO Start 1681
09.08.2008 130 carmen91 (65) [N/A] 1682 nostart
09.08.2008 125 Hauptbahnhof (100) [1502] 1684 start
09.08.2008 111 carmen91 (38) [N/A] 1685 start
09.08.2008 87 ironhorse1 (111) [1562] 1679 nostart
09.08.2008 125 Hauptbahnhof (106) [1497] 1681 nostart
09.08.2008 108 fcgeorge (11) [N/A] 1682 nostart
09.08.2008 118 Gast466758 (102) [N/A] 1682 nostart
09.08.2008 113 Hogwarts-Express (118) [1598] 1677 start
09.08.2008 125 ThoMue1982 (112) [1607] 1680 start
09.08.2008 128 AmunRa (91) [N/A] 1681 start

As you see with the ELO points of the opponents, it was not the right sample. And you can't win with 1 loco, not starting against 3 west ticks against a 1600 player who did no mistake.

For the fun. It was, but again look at the sample. But i found every game interesting and i did some heavy blocking vs. the guests with killing 3 west tickets once and killing sea ny two times. And believe me it was sweating if you get the right color cards in the right moment. Personally i am sure that playing low players in US is the most challenging task. Most people know the map well and there is always a ticket find chance. Europe seems easier because they always take the big ticket. Other maps are easier too. Big cities because you know the targets, swiss because you know the ticks and they are clueless. Don't know about Mega, i am not interested in playing this map.

bye, erps



      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sat, 09 August 2008 16:13
Hi

Next 10 games. So far not a loss against a NA player. These (underrated) tops joining my games are a real nuisance.

+2 ELO, 9:1

I'm pretty sure i could boost my ranking playing only guests or noobs. All games were interesting so far.

09.08.2008 138 doba (83) NA 1681 nostart
09.08.2008 107 cenani (78) NA 1682 nostart
09.08.2008 119 ironhorse1 (114) 1562 1684 nostart
09.08.2008 122 RoteZora (91) NA (1153) 1685 start
09.08.2008 135 Güterzug (99) NA 1687 start
09.08.2008 137 MasterONE (15) NA 1687 start
09.08.2008 127 suzu (92) NA 1688 nostart
09.08.2008 133 suzu (83) NA 1688 nostart
09.08.2008 66 utih (120) 1555 1682 start
09.08.2008 140 Marhold (126) NA 1683 start

P.S. This whole discussion has 2 elements which are mostly mixed. It is a difference to play all comers or play ONLY low ranked players. Playing them is perfectly legitimate, but the often cited respect comes from accepting any challenge from tops. If there would be any top challenging me for a game i would play them instead of the noobs. But not at the moment, because i have this experiment running.

bye, erps
      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sat, 09 August 2008 17:02
OK, so this is what we need to do:

All top 100 players play 100 noobs, win 20 points each (or go insane). Some noobs learn something and try to become tops as well in the future. The average for top 100 will go up 20 points, thereby having a nr 1 above 1800 again. Some noobs will join the top 100 as well at a later stage.

In the end the whole community has attained a higher level of score, play and involvement.

All it takes is 12 hours of time otherwise spent with your loved ones, on work or something useful for society in general.
      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sat, 09 August 2008 18:29
Trucker, if all bad players learn how to play, from who we get scores?

It would mean that all would be equal good, and everyone would win 1/2 of their games. So all scores would be same.

If you need less points to get top 20, it only means that there are many good players, cause there are not anymore 20 players, who win all and get scores.

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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sat, 09 August 2008 20:01
thekid schrieb am Sat, 09 August 2008 04:04

You quit, what a surprise. What happened to total destruction? The losses came because you aren't as good as your mouth talks.

Current subject in some players minds was a Champions League after NC but guess what Mr. Kournikova, nobody of those players i was talking to had YOU in the top 10 of USA 2 player and that must be another cut in Your arm, hm?! We can arrange a second Champions League for You then including:

Guest 123456
Underdog081276
guest 654321
Gast 098765
Guest 345678
totalbeginner_eh
GTS Neverplayed
OLE ckstmichamarsch and
NCZ 2CUINMY1STGAME


Heres something to heal Your wounds for You, go and play some guests or watch Your framed picture on the wall TT is responsible for. You are not up to getting same respect that You had three years ago You wannebe-mathematician. Your times over just like my freaking experiment.

Talking of another type of skill beating guests and underdogs is twisting the truth par excelence. But that is what another favourite hobby of Kournikova, right?!

Heres another "smile" for You:

The timezone from Germany to USA is different depending where You live but in average its 8 hours. Open Up Your window, maybe in 8 hours You hear us Germans Laugh about Your latest appearances in T2R...


      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sat, 09 August 2008 20:17
What's your NC record Mudda? Aren't there good players in that? Tops in fact? Then why is mine so much better than yours? Huh? Why? You can hold fast to your little dreams of grandeur that I only beat the lowly. And oh, when you got me head to head, who's record is better? Oh yeah its mine.

And who is giving away free advice right now, yes it's me. You hold on to what little you do know and don't want to give away any advantage at all. I am disclosing all, when I take up cards, when I take routes, what tickets I keep, which way I go to make tix, blocking strategies, everything I know that can be used against me by these people once the NC is over. I care a lot less about my rating than you think. I used to give advice freely in the forums because it was a challange to put it out there and then try and beat the people knowing what I would do. Now jealous losers like yourself, who only know one way to play, have stopped me from doing it. And those jealous losers don't even get the free lesson from playing me anymore, it's also why I play almost every game closed.

You were so sure you'd go 20-0, you were going to be all over this thread saying how easy it was. You just aren't as good as you think you are. When you got spanked from some of the lowly, you had to say something, you're the Mudda, but what you came up with were pathetic excuses that show how pathetic you are.
      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sat, 09 August 2008 20:45
Muddaihrsohn schrieb am Sat, 09 August 2008 20:01

You are not up to getting same respect that You had three years ago You wannebe-mathematician.

thekid schrieb am Sat, 09 August 2008 20:17

What's your NC record Mudda?

1. DID YOU PLAY 3 NCS !?!? I PLAYED 2, HOW COULD MY RECORD BE 11 something - idiot!!! YOURS COULD BE 20 - "something" IF YOU WERE NOT FAILING THE 1/4 FINALS OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!!

2. GTS HAS AND HAD 3 MORE PLAYERS THAN DREAMLAND SECURITY, I PLAYED 2 OUT OF 7 GAMES IN ROUND ROBIN FACE THE FACTS BEFORE YOU USE MATHS OR STATS POKER HERO! EVERYBODY SEES THAT EXCEPT YOU!

STOP YOUR FREAKING FAKE STATS AND PLAY ME BUT YOU DONT - SINCE 2 YEARS! WHY? MAYBE I SHOULD DECREASE MY ELO TO 1250, TO MEET YOU IN A GAME... RIDICULOUS - NOTHING MORE TO SAY ABOUT THIS STUPID SLIPSLOP - TOTALLY BEYOND THE PALE!


      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sat, 09 August 2008 21:12
[quote title=Muddaihrsohn wrote on Sat, 09 August 2008 14:451. DID YOU PLAY 3 NCS !?!? I PLAYED 2, HOW COULD MY RECORD BE 11 something - idiot!!! [/quote]

So take the last 2, 12 - 3 vs. 7 - 6. Who is the idiot? You are a .500 player. You coulda had 11 or 10 - 3, but then you woulda needed to win more, but you don't have it in you.

You are the one with the stats. It's soooo easy to cheat the ELO system. YOU were gonna prove me wrong with this thread. But YOU fell flat on your face for all to see. Absolutely hilarious. You still hold tight to a claim, even when you're proven false. Yep we know who the idiot is, and it's not me.

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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sat, 09 August 2008 21:32
No hope here, sad... last post reagarding Stefan Kurnikova...
      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sat, 09 August 2008 21:43
Muddaihrsohn wrote on Sat, 09 August 2008 15:32

No hope here, sad... last post reagarding Stefan Kurnikova...

Yeah it is sad, you need to change the title of the thread to experimental getting spanked by the lowly and not admitting it.

Be a man, come out and say you were wrong. The facts prove it. You think its so easy. You tried it. You failed miserably. Fact.

Instead you come out with girlie excuses about ticket fiends, no locos, TV, monitor glare, etc. We all know you wanted this. You were all alone with no distractions and blew it. And yet we still have to listen to your garbage of how easy it was, but you were bored, bla bla, etc. Just admit you were wrong. The facts prove it.

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  Re:Experimental Boosting? Sun, 10 August 2008 02:07
andi,

lass das kind reden, ich lieb dich trotzdem Very Happy

Pirate
      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sun, 10 August 2008 05:50
Very Happy und ich Dich... komm zurück! Wenigstens einer der Eier inne Hose hat...
      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sun, 10 August 2008 07:46
Muddaihrsohn wrote on Sun, 10 August 2008 13:50

Very Happy und ich Dich... komm zurück! Wenigstens einer der Eier inne Hose hat...


In cases like these I turn to Google's ever helpful translate function, which helpfully tells me that Mudda just said:

Quote:

Very Happy you and I ... Come back! At least one of the eggs, with trousers ...


Now that is funny, and very deserving of the smiley Mudda used! Laughing

      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sun, 10 August 2008 08:24
dear kid, thx for your pm

maybe i'm a bad player or baker or NC-TD ...
but i'm sooooooo happy not to be like you Laughing

go on with your mails, i love it, you make my day Very Happy
      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sun, 10 August 2008 12:27
haben wollen, haben wollen, bitte bitte! in cc an alle!!! noch größeres kino als zuvor, die steigerung ist unglaublich!!! bittööööööö
      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sun, 10 August 2008 12:31
Nehmt ihr mich bitte mit auf den Verteiler? Ich liebe den NC Smile
      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sun, 10 August 2008 13:33
Hi

Next 10 games. Had to decline daedin, but this was a sacrifice i was willing to do (all in the name of science of course!!!).

1683 start, ELO +9, 10:0

10.08.2008 124 iseltwald (96) 1309 1684 start
10.08.2008 117 haniger (100) NA 1684 nostart
10.08.2008 132 pro tabs (71) 1267 1685 start
10.08.2008 123 Danny Boy (97) 1189 1685 nostart
10.08.2008 137 Spieler201867 (96) NA 1686 nostart
10.08.2008 138 juanjuan (86) NA 1686 start
10.08.2008 75 sundancer (53) 1502 1688 start
10.08.2008 122 Hauptbahnhof (107) 1441 1690 nostart
10.08.2008 104 jim33380 ~ Wanadoo (98) 1463 1692 nostart
10.08.2008 127 Mondego (37) NA 1692 nostart

You never know who will enter.

So far 27:3, no loss against NA or lower than 1500.

I will see, i think 50 games is the maximum for not getting bored. Not my usual style of play.

I had my quarrels with thekid and i am no friend of these 0.500 player thing (depends on your opponents i think. If you play only top 10 in NC and have 50% win, thumps up! Otherwise the sample is too small).

But he is right in one point. Mudda's attempt (after opening a thread!) was poor. Not being able to play even 20 games against noobs/all comers, what was the point in this advertised event?

No one should be forced to play noobs. But if you say, "with 100 games from 1700 to 1800", "20 games against allcomers", "Best of 101 against xxxxxx", you should do it.

And back to the suspense of playing these NAs. It has some. There was one game in the last series i was really sweating. And really, 50% of all matches vs. 1600+ are boring too. Even the NC games. They only have the event and fight for your team thing that make them more interesting.

bye, erps

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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sun, 10 August 2008 14:11
Funny, funny, funny... Laughing

But quite, folks.

The TTRgod has spoken.

And mudda, you have to see the facts.

Kid is much more better than u.
-he is 7th, you only 6th in the ranking
-he is playing interesting games against noobs, and you???
boring games against top200 player, shame on you
-he has more money
-his wife(yes, he has one Shocked) is more pretty than yours
-he has 4 kids, and you??????
-he is driving a ferrari, you porsche??? come on, hahaha
-his house is bigger and greater than yours
-he looks better than you, and his balls (or eggs) in his
trouser (thx alleyooper for translation) are much, very
much bigger than yours Cool Cool


You need more facts????? GO AHEAD


And shamogi, who is baking the best bread????
You, with your f...ing schwarzbrot from germany??? LOL

No, kid, leave your nc team alone, i will vote for you as TD!!!


But, at least,

I HAVE BIGGER BOOPS THAN U!!!!!!!

greetings
cutter
      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sun, 10 August 2008 14:24
shamogi wrote on Sun, 10 August 2008 02:24

dear kid, but i'm sooooooo happy not to be like you



The funny thing is you think this is an insult.

You think I'd want to be like someone who defended a person who cursed someone else's wife and children. And now you defend someone else who shoots their mouth off and then can't back it up, falling flat on his face.

Trust me I'm soooooooooo happy.
      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sun, 10 August 2008 14:41
Könnten wir das gleiche Thema bitte auch im deutschen Forum haben? Das was ich glaube zu verstehen, klingt interessant.
      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sun, 10 August 2008 16:04
thekid schrieb am Sun, 10 August 2008 14:24

shamogi wrote on Sun, 10 August 2008 02:24

dear kid, but i'm sooooooo happy not to be like you



The funny thing is you think this is an insult.

You think I'd want to be like someone who defended a person who cursed someone else's wife and children. And now you defend someone else who shoots their mouth off and then can't back it up, falling flat on his face.

Trust me I'm soooooooooo happy.



... always the same poor story, kiddy ...

but you are happy, that's good.
waiting for more ...
(monika, was heißt geistiger dünnschiss in englisch?) Smile
      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sun, 10 August 2008 16:18
this question wasn't for me but to keep the flame going I will answer this

(monika, was heißt geistiger dünnschiss in englisch?) Smile


I think one could translate this as mental diarrhoea (or in American spelling, which seems to serve a purpose in this context: diarrhea), a nice addition to the Icelandic múnnraepa (mouth diarrhoea). Are there more kinds of diarrhoea? Hm, maybe I am drifting off the topic here...
      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sun, 10 August 2008 22:12
Hi all,

My opinion is this:

Mudda made test, but he "failed" in it. Thekid used place and "teased" mudda about that. Of course, afterall mudda would do the same.
I understand kid, afterall he has heard many times about hes playing style, and when others notice its not maybe that easy, he sure wants to say "What did i say?"

Of course you both cant be best in all, and you should not.
You both are for sure better than over 90% ttr players.
Mudda has win NC as a captain and also few QT's.
Kid has been 1st almost in every map and reached great score.

I've played against both, and i can say, neither are invinsible.

BUT, is it really worth it, to make personal attacks just CAUSE OF ONE ONLINE GAME.
This isn't seem anymore a little hassle.
This should be fun, maybe you are in wrong place if main thing here is insult others.

The whole "fight" is absolutely ridicilous, but even more ridicilous is that some player are joining to "other side" where they are trying to make fight even bigger.
I guess there is already enough big mess without other participants.

You should be adults, is this really way you handle things in real life also???

Its bip same who started, its only important who stops it.

I have to say im very disappointed.

Zimo
      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sun, 10 August 2008 22:17
hey get out of my view... I am watching a free style boxing match here
      
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  Re:Experimental Boosting? Sun, 10 August 2008 22:48
Zimo wrote on Sun, 10 August 2008 22:12

Hi all,

My opinion is this:

Mudda made test, but he "failed" in it. Thekid used place and "teased" mudda about that. Of course, afterall mudda would do the same.
I understand kid, afterall he has heard many times about hes playing style, and when others notice its not maybe that easy, he sure wants to say "What did i say?"

Of course you both cant be best in all, and you should not.
You both are for sure better than over 90% ttr players.
Mudda has win NC as a captain and also few QT's.
Kid has been 1st almost in every map and reached great score.

I've played against both, and i can say, neither are invinsible.

BUT, is it really worth it, to make personal attacks just CAUSE OF ONE ONLINE GAME.
This isn't seem anymore a little hassle.
This should be fun, maybe you are in wrong place if main thing here is insult others.

The whole "fight" is absolutely ridicilous, but even more ridicilous is that some player are joining to "other side" where they are trying to make fight even bigger.
I guess there is already enough big mess without other participants.

You should be adults, is this really way you handle things in real life also???

Its bip same who started, its only important who stops it.

I have to say im very disappointed.

Zimo


Hey Zimo,

How old are you?
It seems you have more sense than a whole lot of "grown-ups".
Well said !!
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sun, 10 August 2008 23:09
zimo, kolmo, bean and all

I apologise

for sure you are right ...
and my english is to bad to explain more.

shamo
      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Sun, 10 August 2008 23:58
Hi

I know nobody is interested because the show is much more interesting but i have the next 10 games:

ELO Start 1692, ELO +10, 10:0
10.08.2008 124 SiegerTyp (102) NA 1695 start
10.08.2008 116 Allie's_mom (96) 1285 1696 start
10.08.2008 120 lwftmb (101) NA 1697 start
10.08.2008 119 cricuca (70) NA 1698 start
10.08.2008 138 lucareli (79) NA 1698 start
10.08.2008 119 lara23 (60) NA 1699 nostart
10.08.2008 125 PeterO (100) 1398 1700 start
10.08.2008 128 guest254079 (38) NA 1700 start
10.08.2008 115 zeppard (91) 1317 1701 nostart
10.08.2008 125 Digiederik Khan (119) 1414 1702 start

In this series i was a little on the luck side because i started 8 of 10 times (30 games before should be 50%).

I was using "NO TOPS" starting my game because they mostly knew my playing style, so nearly all the time, good players wanted to join.

I have now 40 games, 37:3, no loss against NA or below 1500. I have the first time in my career a 20 straight win history (21 exactly, but a "clean" first site Wink)

I doubt it is possible to have 60 or 70 games on US map straight wins (for me!). Now it is getting "frustrating". Not boring, oh no, i had some interesting games.

I don't know if i do the 50, but i will try. The main reasons for not doing this would be:

1. NC is coming. It is not smart NOT playing good players before that event. I have to do some serious training in the next weeks.

2. The guests. No one has cursed me so far (that's good news). But one of them played so baaad (taking at least 5 or 6 locos openly) and in the same time slooow. They took for every move 20 to 60 seconds, and yes even between taking color cards... A game i have won after 5 or 6 moves and i had to wait 30 minutes Mad

3. The declining. It's not easy to decline the tops. And it may be rude. I know it first meant allcomers, but this was to proof that you can boost your ranking playing noobs.

I think i have proven that i am able to play both styles very well. In the end i will not play this "new" style very often, because it is more fun to play people i know, i can chat with a little, talk after the game about no locos or bad ticks and have a predictable behaviour regarding the etiquette. But, if it happens that i am on the brink to number one again, i think i might play the noobs to get the last points Wink

However it is not easy as it looks. It may be boring, it may be even boosting (not on US map i think, 1740/1750 should be the end), but you have to concentrate the same in these games as in the top games (there were games after a special move that were decided).

Ah, and i learned something important but sad: Playing closed gives you more points. There are a lot of cheats out there lately. Or guests with 1200 points that play like 1600s - i had 2 and one was registerd only a few weeks before... Sometimes i even think that some people knew of my experiment... Very strange all this.

I think i have to rethink the tournament rules for SPWC and Europe tournament. Sad but true.

Is is true, that TheShark and me&myself&I are cheats? I declined to play one of them lately.

bye, erps

P.S. An addition: Part of my games were night sessions (but i was not tired, i was concentrated) with mainly US players. I believe that joe average is much worse than his european counterpart. Of course not the tops (thekid, tprail, psteinx, SKM, you name it), but they were the easiest wins so far. Reasons for that? Other than the smaller player pool: Maybe the poor education level? Smile However, it may be the reason why american tops are used to play more noobs, they simply don't have the chance to play another style sometimes.


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Re:Experimental Boosting? Mon, 11 August 2008 03:53
I'll try to answer everybody:

2Cutter - Ferrari no, we're looking for a van/bus that can fit 6 car seats, and hopefully 2 more in the future. As for the house you're right, we gotta fit all the kids. And I'll stack my wife's up against yours any day.

bassie - I know, I got a funny one written in my head already, a kidcam exclusive. But we'll see if the conciliatory tone takes hold. I also have another interesting idea, maybe I'll post it later.

Shamogi - Let's see zimo, kolmo, bean. Hmmmm. Missing someone, now who could it be? Ahhhh, I must be in all, right? Riiiiiiight.

Zimo - Yep adults are horrible. Wait til you get in the working world, stay a kid forever if u can. Ahhh to be young and a Democrat, cause Obama's gonna solve all the world's problems, right? Riiiiiiight.

erps - Solid and very fairly balanced analysis. One of the most difficult things that you didn't experience yet was losing one to a lower ranked and realizing it will take at least 20 or more to get it back. Then the snowball effect looms large on you. Also, refusing games, I don't get many requests at night, but it is more difficult going back and forth between good and bad players. One other point I loved was the great playing noobs, how many of those do you think the most hated player gets? To all of you, yeah they help my rating, right? Riiiiiiiiight. And yes you're right about the tournament. No one listened last euro tourney, but the one I found questionable stopped playing right after the tourney ended, with plenty of webcard left. And yes, americans think the pinnacle of boardgaming is yahtzee or sequence, oh my god sequence is bingo people, how do they sell this? Too many families where both parents work and video games raise the kids. It's very sad. My oldest is hooked on the board game Star Wars Epic Duels. We started strategy ones with him when he was 4. TtR is next Smile.
      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Mon, 11 August 2008 04:56
thekid schrieb am Mon, 11 August 2008 03:53

I'll try to answer everybody:

Shamogi - Let's see zimo, kolmo, bean. Hmmmm. Missing someone, now who could it be? Ahhhh, I must be in all, right? Riiiiiiight.




No

      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Mon, 11 August 2008 14:05
Maybe I will be hated by everyone but in fact I think - our kid here is fun - also Mudda - I remember the kindergarden and hey, I had a damn good time there - so guys, go ahead!

Nay

P.S. Kid - Mudda - I would like to know, what is really important to you - the game or the size of your balls? Maybe you should compare them? Laughing
      
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Re:Experimental Boosting? Mon, 11 August 2008 23:57
I tried Mudda's experiment. Here are my personal results.

I opened 2 player US games with the title "fast very fast"
Games were closed
Karma limit was 1
No password needed.

Played 20 games and won 19 of them. The game I lost was to Olle Boll (who happens to be the one player who "snuck" in who is rated higher than I am)

My score increased 21 points overall. I do not know what Olle Boll exact score was when we played but based on what it is now I estimate I lost 3 - 3.5 points for that game.

I will play 30 more in this manner but not all in a row like these were and therfore it will be difficult to track actual score changes.

As Always,

Baron
      
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