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Baron Von Schmidt
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Useless to play multi anymore Thu, 29 September 2011 07:20
Can't find hardly anyone anymore who knows how to BLOCK in 4 or 5 player! My last game only ONE player had THREE tickets, they were all alone in the south, got the six black and six green early, I have mon-new orleans and mon-atl and I had done the six red early. I do the 5 blue, the three ticket player is the turn right after mine and does 4 purple using a loco and they have not yet connected. Does ANYONE take the 2 grey to block??? Any of the other 3 players??? No. I have to do it, then the player does 2 up to Raleigh. Do any of the 3 other players even take one of the Raleigh Atl paths? ummmm no. Unbelievable. That player ends up easily making all 3 tickets, 2 of which are LA-Mia and LA-NY. Guess who wins?

With no blocking anymore players just like to build popular tracks and draw, draw, draw! (remind you of anyone?)

With most of the players who made an actual community years ago gone and the type of newbie play that gets someone to 1700+ why would serious game players who now try the game want to stick around?



      
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Re:Useless to play multi anymore Thu, 29 September 2011 19:39
1500+ multis have mostly turned into ticket fiending, or random blocks - like hmm I'll block Drake he looks like he has a good route, eventhough so and so already has 5 tickets and Drake has only 2.

I've cut back on multis.
      
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Re:Useless to play multi anymore Sat, 01 October 2011 02:20
But not so useless that you don't feel like posting about it. Smile

It takes a while for some of us 'new' players to get the hang of things. And, we don't get the hang of it unless someone says something once in a while.

You want it to change. Don't run away from it. Make it change.

Talk about what might have made a good block after a game. Becoming a decent blocker doesn't just happen, it takes some learning.

Rob
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Re:Useless to play multi anymore Sat, 08 October 2011 00:09
Ok...so are there some acceptable (or unacceptable) protocols regarding blocking in multi-player? Anyone who has played me knows that I am lousy at blocking.....but I have tried it the odd time in multi-player and had some pretty negative comments - especially if I "backed-up" what I perceived to be somebody else's attempt at a block on a double track (I mean what is obviously a cold-blooded, other side of the board block). And then I have seen people apologize when they felt they had to play something that they needed but that could be perceived as a block.

This is playing with 1500ish players and up....I know that none of them have any problems with blocking in 2 player so I am a little puzzled...in my mind blocking was just part of the game the same as in 2 player!

Are there some unwritten protocols...only block the perceived leader?..don't block if you know you have no chance of winning and are only trying to stay out of 4th?

Are there some actions that are considered poor sportsmanship or is it strictly survival of the fittest (which is the only way I like to play any game, even if I am seldom the fittest!)

Since I am usually the runt (as far as ranking) in these games, I would like to win a few points (or, more realistically, lose a few less than normal), but not at the expense of not being welcome in future games!

[Mis à jour le: Sat, 08 October 2011 01:13]

      
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Re:Useless to play multi anymore Sat, 08 October 2011 05:14
Actually, what Baron is saying is that lately people do not do the blocking.

Especially frustrating when a person grabs 6s on opposite side of board with big tracks and people let them "waltz" over to connect the tix they need.

What I think Baron is saying is: Where did it go that people no longer will join to close off a player who plays in such a manner?

examples: person needs to connect East-west, simple 2s need blocked but it must be 2 of the other 3 players, (like 2s to duluth, or 2s around NY or maybe the 3s to Pitt, etc)

Here is the problem: One multi player sets the first blocking play, but neither of the other 2 follow to close the player off. I think this is because, a. "Well I will be 2nd place anyway, so I am not blocking." OR
b. "Well, he/she is my friend." OR
c. "I don't want someone to do that to me some time when I need that, so I will not join."

Those are my theories on where the blocking has gone in the multi games.

TOO many current multi players do not seem to value the competitive blocking schemes, especially on noting who the leader is or paying attention to who has 4 plus tickets.
So A_Canadian_eh and others, BLOCK away. It makes for a better variety of play when one has to consider, "can I make these tix? as opposed to: "of course I can make these tix, these players don't block."

[Mis à jour le: Sat, 08 October 2011 05:18]

      
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Re:Useless to play multi anymore Sat, 08 October 2011 20:03
Thanks, Onyx....I did understand that Baron was lamenting the *lack* of blocking...what was throwing me was that people who are much better players than I am and who (correctly!) consider blocking a standard tactic in the 2 player version seemed to have a problem when I (occasionaly and very poorly) attempted it in multi-player...which was why I was wondering if there was a different code of conduct for multi-player.

Thanks for the clarification/encouragement - I shall continue to attempt to block sporadically in my own inept style!
      
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Re:Useless to play multi anymore Sat, 08 October 2011 22:31
Well, I still disagree with those complaints : "There is no blocking...in the good old past, life was better...".

All depends on who you're playing with...
I keep thinking setting 1550+ is a major requirement to be guaranteed a good game . We happened to play a bunch of good multis this morning with good blocks... A player was not very happy with it but he understood why and is now aware of it..
If you stop playing those kind of games, aleopold's & co would be the standard of a quality multi on ttr! Wake up!

Even when my multi 1550+ is open, players would rather join lower quality games because room is filled faster...depressing...

More than no blocks...it's the inability of players to end without overdrawing which is annoying... I can understand you can't always have perfect colours but it happens in every of those multis..giving too many opportunities for fiending or giving way too much time for players to complete surreal tracks and combos...
(At least when kostas or I use fiending to win, we plan it to work in a reasonable lapse of time...not needing 3 extra turns to do it...).

Support quality games by playing qnd promoting quality games !
      
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Re:Useless to play multi anymore Wed, 12 October 2011 03:19
I second most (not all) of what Baron, Sissy and OP said.

To Canadian's question:
- It is widely considered unacceptable to team up out loud for a double block as in "take one route, i will join and take the other" or to put it more general, it is widely considered unacceptable to ask out loud for blocking someone else anyway.
- I consider it unsportsmanlike to block if you are very obviously not changing your own position in the game, which might happen when someone is way behind or in front and then blocks someone else, making him second and someone else first. (I also consider it poor to draw up all remaining tickets once you are lost, but thats a different topic.)
- This includes blocking a person instead of a player, as some might do for example as revenge for an earlier game.

- I consider all other blocking an acceptable, valid, sometimes underrated, often not easy strategy in multi. I am often beeing yelled at from some players for blocking. I understand it to some extent as expression of frustration. Often my blocking is misunderstood and I am mostly tired to explain, that:
-- I do mistakes. An unsuccessful block does not proove the idea to try it wrong in general.
-- Blocking in ttr in general makes mostly only sense, if you follow up until the route is impossible. That might need more than one block on the same player in one game. Its nothing personal, its just persistence.
-- Blocking in multis may cause a chain-reaction. If you succeed in blocking one player he might then join to block an other. Good blocking in multis does not just block one opponent but 2 or 3.

The lack of blocking leads to that players are not cautious any more. That takes away the very idea and fascination of ttr. Players, 2p or multi, that are offended by blocking in general are free to open games named "sissy style joint train laying waste of time" or whatever.

[Mis à jour le: Wed, 12 October 2011 03:20]

      
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Re:Useless to play multi anymore Wed, 12 October 2011 03:29
As a reminder :
you can find a topic about how (un)fair blocking in a multi is with a clear example HERE
      
Baron Von Schmidt
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Re:Useless to play multi anymore Fri, 04 November 2011 06:00
Sysyphus AMD wrote on Tue, 11 October 2011 19:29

As a reminder :
you can find a topic about how (un)fair blocking in a multi is with a clear example HERE


That's a good thread. I wish that every multi player that is over 1450 would have to read it and take a quiz on the information (not AGREE totally with everything but at least UNDERSTAND the issues).

[Mis à jour le: Tue, 22 November 2011 11:21]

      
JimmyJaZedZed
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Re:Useless to play multi anymore Sat, 05 November 2011 16:03
Well, as someone who does sometimes block in multis (when to my advantage, which should be the measuring stick for all blocking decisions by a player), I have to say I've cut back on blocking in those, and subsequently multis in general, because some folks -- even long-time vets -- get VERY upset when they perceive that you are not blocking everyone else to the same degree you are them.

I'm not just talking well known sensitive people like aleo, even UKB Will Destroy U started hurling epithets at me recently for an obvious block on him. Something about he wasn't the likely winner. I replied (paraphrasing) "dude, the likely winner doesn't look like he is vulnerable to a block, and since I can't catch him, the best thing for me is to try to improve my final finish by trying to get myself ahead of you" But he didn't accept that, he thought I was playing unfair. The weird thing is if it were 2 player I bet he would have had no problem with the block.

So I guess I'm saying it's even more controversial to block in multiplayer than 2 player, because even people who accept the validity of blocking in general, still sometimes get indignant if they think that you are doing it more against them than other players. Zappagga is another player who I think put me on ignore for something similar (a long, long time ago, so my memory is fuzzier).

[Mis à jour le: Sat, 05 November 2011 16:05]

      
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Re:Useless to play multi anymore Fri, 11 November 2011 17:15
I hereby sign that, poor, poor, poor! Feels like most of them painting footnails besides! Character gone lost!
      
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Re:Useless to play multi anymore Fri, 11 November 2011 17:32
It even dumbfounded me that one of the opponent didn't finish the block on me...

And I tried to make my 42 obvious...

[Mis à jour le: Fri, 11 November 2011 17:32]

      
    
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