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Diary of a blocker Mon, 25 April 2005 09:20
I get so many sore losers when I block, I thought I'd start a thread cataloguing some of the interesting feedback. My impression is that the majority of it is from German speakers, but that might just be that the act of translating it makes it more memorable. Maybe this log will help discern a pattern. If anyone else has any good sore loser lines please post them


Here's one from tonight to kick things off:
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So macht das Spiel leider keinen Spass (Thus the play unfortunately makes no fun) -- ille4 when blocked from going north from LA, just before leaving the game for a bot to finish.


I'm not sure how good the Google translation is, but damn it made me feel bad. It is so sad and poetic -- a microcosmic suicide letter (you need to say it with a German accent and a pout for full effect). Sorry ille4, I didn't know that providing opposition would completely spoil the fun for you. I suppose anyone would find completing NY-LA and Van-Mon pretty fun, but I didn't like the idea of watching it being done so much. You made it so easy to stop that I considered the possibility that you were trying to trick me into wasting a turn doing it. Perhaps you should request that a one player version be implemented, then there'd be no one to rain on your parade. It seems this would solve a lot of problems for a certain "class" of player.

Meanwhile I'm starting to understand the concept of schadenfreude. If it is common for Germans to be such pissy little cry-babies you'd pretty much have no choice but to learn to enjoy dishing torment upon them. I'm well on my way.

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Re:Diary of a blocker Mon, 25 April 2005 12:59
Rek,

I'm not German myself, but i've already played a lot of games with Germans. I cann assure you they are no "little cry babies".

The majority of them accepts the fact that you winn some and you loose some.

What a lot of players cann't accept, and for sure they are not all Germans, is that they get blocked without an obvious reason. I don't like it myself either, but i try to solve this by staying out of games with known blockers. And if i run into one in spite of that, well it's just a game and i'll try to finish it the best i cann. But gaming like that doesn't give me what i'm looking for at my leisure.

The problem is already existing for a very long time, and i'm quite sure there is never going to be an acceptable solution for it. For sure calling each other names or yelling at each other is not going to solve it either.

To my humble opinion, all you cann do to avoid things like that, is being carefull when choosing an opponent. As i'm trying to avoid top 50 players in order not to get blocked heavily, you might be better of by restricting yourself to top 50 players. Most of them block a lot themselves, so they won't mind getting blocked by you and you won't be yelled at.

And like that we might keep everybody happy Smile .

We will probably never play with one another, but i do wish you good luck with your future games.

Gwen
      
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  Re:Diary of a blocker Mon, 25 April 2005 14:59
Rek18 schrieb am Mon, 25 April 2005 09:20

...It is so sad and poetic -- a microcosmic suicide letter (you need to say it with a German accent and a pout for full effect)...

Very Happy Thank you Rek, you made my day
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Mon, 25 April 2005 18:46
gwen wrote on Mon, 25 April 2005 06:59

Rek,

I'm not German myself, but i've already played a lot of games with Germans. I cann assure you they are no "little cry babies".

The majority of them accepts the fact that you winn some and you loose some.

What a lot of players cann't accept, and for sure they are not all Germans, is that they get blocked without an obvious reason. I don't like it myself either, but i try to solve this by staying out of games with known blockers. And if i run into one in spite of that, well it's just a game and i'll try to finish it the best i cann. But gaming like that doesn't give me what i'm looking for at my leisure.

The problem is already existing for a very long time, and i'm quite sure there is never going to be an acceptable solution for it. For sure calling each other names or yelling at each other is not going to solve it either.

To my humble opinion, all you cann do to avoid things like that, is being carefull when choosing an opponent. As i'm trying to avoid top 50 players in order not to get blocked heavily, you might be better of by restricting yourself to top 50 players. Most of them block a lot themselves, so they won't mind getting blocked by you and you won't be yelled at.

And like that we might keep everybody happy Smile .

We will probably never play with one another, but i do wish you good luck with your future games.

Gwen



Gwen, I don't want this thread to become a debate about blocking but you are so polite you deserve a response.

1) You can assure me that they aren't pissy cry-babies.
Sorry, the facts speak for themself. You are right, it isn't fair to single out the German players. I do seem to get a lot of German insults though.
2) Calling each other names.
This is exactly what I have a problem with. What right do these people have to insult me and quit? I'm just playing the game and playing to win. I don't want to finish every 3rd game against a dumbbot.
3) Blocked without obvious reason.
If you are playing to win then this sorts itself out. If someone is blocking without reason then that means it is not in their best interest and you should take advantage of it. I suspect that if it is pissing you off then it is effective and not without reason. In 3,4 and 5 player games the situation changes... blocking there can be kind of personal because it hurts the blocker and the blockee to the benefit of other players -- but this is not what we are talking about.

I have to ask what anti-blockers want from the game? Do you expect each player just to play their own game, ignoring the other player? What's the point? If you don't like blocking, play a game where it isn't a good strategy. In four player T2R blocking doesn't make much sense. And I wasn't joking, maybe they need a one player or cooperative version to satisfy the non-competetive among us. Expecting people to limit how they play because you don't like certain strategies isn't reasonable. But if you want to avoid playing me I'm totally fine with that. I will change my name to "Rek18 ~ blocker" to make it easy.

You seem like a nice person Gwen so I won't blast you, but I do think you are a bit misguided. This is a game and it is fun to play to win -- to compete and be challenged. I play within the rules and courteously (until provoked), that's all you can ask for. I'm not going to limit myself to playing the top 50... most of those players are never around (which another interesting topic altogether). The point of this thread for me is 1) to vent my own frustration with these imbeciles, 2) to maybe embarrass them into behaving with a bit more civility (unlikely, I know) and 3) to laugh a bit (Zugbegleiterin seems to have got this).
So I'm going to keep going with it. Let's move any debate over to the "blocking is cool" thread and leave this one to its purpose.

      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Mon, 25 April 2005 22:25
I was wondering where the {blocker} part of your name came from, I didn't realize it was self applied. Maybe I could get you a nice scarlet B to stitch on your sweater. Cool
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Mon, 25 April 2005 22:51
Roaring Possum wrote on Mon, 25 April 2005 16:25

I was wondering where the {blocker} part of your name came from, I didn't realize it was self applied. Maybe I could get you a nice scarlet B to stitch on your sweater. Cool


There shouldn't be any negative connotation to it. Now anyone who has any weird side-rules (like: you can insult someone and quit if they block you) can just not play me.

I encourage anyone else who plays the game properly to add the {blocker} designation to their name. It doesn't mean that you play a blocking style, just that you have no problem with anyone who plays the game to win by the rules in the spirit of fun and competition. Maybe anti-blockers can put something after their name. Here's a few ideas: {pansy}, {wimp}, {crybaby}, {non-competitive}, {loser}...
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Tue, 26 April 2005 00:22
Following Rek's direction, I will change my name to
thekid - PURE EVIL. Because this is obviously what I am. How dare I deprive people of their god given right to Vancouver - Montreal and Seattle - New York. I am a bad person and will reflect this in my name from now on. All these people who complain about blockers, please go play Candyland or War where the outcome is determined by the shuffle of the cards and not any kind of strategic play.
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Tue, 26 April 2005 18:56
There's a thread on blocking on the German language T2R forum: http://www.ticket2ridegame.com/index.php?t=msg&th=3670&a mp;a mp;a mp;start=0&rid=44342&S=9297ef310177ef3a3d407ff297650 b50

(Run it through Google translation if you don't speak German:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tic ket2ridegame.com%2Findex.php%3Ft%3Dmsg%26th%3D3670%26start%3 D0%26rid%3D44342%26S%3D9297ef310177ef3a3d407ff297650b50& langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&pre v=%2Flanguage_tools
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It is very interesting to see the difference in attitude. The general concensus there is that it is within the rules but not a friendly thing to do. I wonder if there is a sociological explanation for the difference. Has the country that twice tried to conquer Europe last century been over-emasculated? Confused

Oh well, the {blocker} suffix on my name seems to be working... no insults or quitters in 20 or so games since. I thought I might have trouble getting people to join my games, but that doesn't seem to be an issue either. Smile

This thread may be dead then... next issue, why can't I get a game against "#1 ranked" Bum-Bum? There is something fishy about a player with an 1847 rating who none of the other top ranked players have played.

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  Re:Diary of a blocker Tue, 26 April 2005 21:15
Rek18 & thekid,
try not to take this blocker business so hard. As a pastor, I am concerned for the pure evil notion of thekid.(lol, j/k)
If you get a complaint, tell them to play 4s. Blocking is not a problem there.
Which brings up a point I feel needs to be taken up with Brice. Can we get seperate player rankings for 2/3 player games and 4/5 player games? I think they are really two different games. 4/5 player games are gentler, but can really rack your ranking without the right cards. I like playing them but...
onyx puffin
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Tue, 26 April 2005 22:35
onyx puffin wrote on Tue, 26 April 2005 15:15

Rek18 & thekid,
try not to take this blocker business so hard. As a pastor, I am concerned for the pure evil notion of thekid.(lol, j/k)
If you get a complaint, tell them to play 4s. Blocking is not a problem there.
Which brings up a point I feel needs to be taken up with Brice. Can we get seperate player rankings for 2/3 player games and 4/5 player games? I think they are really two different games. 4/5 player games are gentler, but can really rack your ranking without the right cards. I like playing them but...
onyx puffin



I was under the impression you get more points for winning a 5 player game than you would a 2 player game, and even get points for finishing 2nd, 3rd, etc. depending on who you beat and who you lost to. Of course the other side is that you would take a hard hit for finishing 5th! Anyway, if this is the case I wouldn't see how a different ranking would be necessary.
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Tue, 26 April 2005 22:39
Kimber wrote on Tue, 26 April 2005 22:35

onyx puffin wrote on Tue, 26 April 2005 15:15

Rek18 & thekid,
try not to take this blocker business so hard. As a pastor, I am concerned for the pure evil notion of thekid.(lol, j/k)
If you get a complaint, tell them to play 4s. Blocking is not a problem there.
Which brings up a point I feel needs to be taken up with Brice. Can we get seperate player rankings for 2/3 player games and 4/5 player games? I think they are really two different games. 4/5 player games are gentler, but can really rack your ranking without the right cards. I like playing them but...
onyx puffin



I was under the impression you get more points for winning a 5 player game than you would a 2 player game, and even get points for finishing 2nd, 3rd, etc. depending on who you beat and who you lost to. Of course the other side is that you would take a hard hit for finishing 5th! Anyway, if this is the case I wouldn't see how a different ranking would be necessary.

This is the case.
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Tue, 26 April 2005 23:18
Rek18{blocker} wrote on Tue, 26 April 2005 09:56


This thread may be dead then... next issue, why can't I get a game against "#1 ranked" Bum-Bum? There is something fishy about a player with an 1847 rating who none of the other top ranked players have played.



It may be the number of players that you prefer. I just played in a 5 player game with Bum Bum. I'm ranked about #50, so I was curious to see if Bum Bum would live up to the ranking. Bum Bum did, scoring over 150 points in a 5 player game, not from doing anything especially different that I could see, but that may be why I'm not ranked any higher.
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 27 April 2005 00:05
My assumption has been that all the top players stick with 2player games. It seems even more unlikely to reach that level player 4/5 player games, but perhaps Bum-Bum has figured something out that the rest of us haven't. I'm still skeptical.

Possum, can you look up who else played in that game?
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 27 April 2005 01:20
Hello, Rek18

I've played two times against Bum-Bum for the last two days. Both games were 5-player-games. And Bum-Bum won both of them with 130 and 107 points. I couldn't see any especially strategy in his game. He didn't prefer the 6-tracks and he didn't block other players, but he ever won. Ask him to play against you and you will look at his moves...
P.S.: I am one of the German players but for me, blocking - me or my opponent - is part of this game. I thank "the kid" to teach me with perfect blocks in a game of 2 (I didn't finish any ticket in this game).
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 27 April 2005 02:46
He does not answer me when I chat with him, so I haven't been able to ask him.

I don't see how you can get to 1850 playing legitimate 5 player games, at that level even coming second would drop you points. A bad break putting you 5th would drop you 50pts or more. There is just too much chance involved.

Bum-Bum, your silence just adds to the suspicion...

      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 27 April 2005 04:58
So Bum Bum plays 5 player? Fairly easy to play a second player in 5 player. hummm....
Again, I think there should be two ranking systems: one for 4/5 player games, and one for 2/3 player. My reason is they are totally different strategy games, not point variations.
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 27 April 2005 05:53
I'd say 2 and 3 are totally different too. Two should be in it's own category because it has a purity the others don't have. You can't team up against someone, or accidental block... can't cheat by playing two seats. I think there should a category for each number of seats 2,3,4,5.
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 27 April 2005 18:06
Here is the line from the game with Bum-Bum:
Bum-Bum (159) - Kleiner Feger (65) - Spieler98742 (65) - Spieler88888 (45) - Roaring Possum (107)

Since Bum-Bum is German, I don't think you should expect a response to posts on the English part of the board, or any board for that matter, since only a small subset of players read the boards. Since 2 player games have a smaller influence on rating than the other size games, I have no suspicions on how Bum-Bum got the rating. He played smart, playing out the easiest to block parts of his route first, so even though I was looking to block, seeing his rating coming in, I never saw a good opportunity, he went around the one I did try easily enough.
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 27 April 2005 18:27
Looks like 3 of these players weren't even trying. 65, 65 and 45. Cmon a trained monkey could score more. This plus the fact the he scored almost 160. Do you know how impossible that is in a 5 player game with anyone that even has a remote idea of how to play. It is very hard to do in a 2 player game and the scoring in a 2 player game is higher than that of a 5 player because there should be much less available 6 routes in a 5 player game. Theoretically in a 2 player game both will have 3 but in a 5 player that would be hard. Dude you were had in this game. The other 3 people were him.
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 27 April 2005 20:28
thekid wrote on Wed, 27 April 2005 18:27

The other 3 people were him.

I think you're right, the e-mails behind those accounts are somewhat too close to be honest...
I don't think there anything you (or me for what matters) can do...
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 27 April 2005 21:11
Brice wrote on Wed, 27 April 2005 14:28

thekid wrote on Wed, 27 April 2005 18:27

The other 3 people were him.

I think you're right, the e-mails behind those accounts are somewhat too close to be honest...
I don't think there anything you (or me for what matters) can do...




If you can prove it on the server end why not ban his account?

If you can't, then open up the game histories. Once he knows the jig is up and other people know he is a fraud he won't be taking much pride in his #1 ranking. At that point my guess is his account will become inactive on its own.
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 27 April 2005 21:37
Roaring Possum schrieb am Wed, 27 April 2005 18:06

Here is the line from the game with Bum-Bum:
Bum-Bum (159) - Kleiner Feger (65) - Spieler98742 (65) - Spieler88888 (45) - Roaring Possum (107)



I saw Bum-Bum too in a closed 5-player-game. And guess who he was playing with: Kleiner Feger - Spieler88888 - Pfösu - Peacekeeper. Shocked
And those two players have the same Postcode and both are from bavaria just like Bum-Bum ...

Why did you have only 107 points, possum?
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 27 April 2005 22:09
Sagittarius schrieb am Wed, 27 April 2005 21:37



I saw Bum-Bum too in a closed 5-player-game. And guess who he was playing with: Kleiner Feger - Spieler88888 - Pfösu - Peacekeeper. Shocked
And those two players have the same Postcode and both are from bavaria just like Bum-Bum ...

Why did you have only 107 points, possum?

I show you the players in my games with Bum-Bum... but don't be surprised:

25.04.2005 Professor (129) - Bum-Bum (130) - Spieler96105 (103) - Kleiner Feger (77) - Spieler88888 (59)
27.04.2005 Professor (96) - Bum-Bum (107) - Spieler88888 (64) - Gast99358 (42) - Kleiner Feger (19)

And now, guess why do the two guys from bavaria have such a low score? Right, because they were blocking me all over the game without finishing their own tickets.

Good night - Professor
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 27 April 2005 22:23
SKMorefield wrote on Wed, 27 April 2005 21:11

Brice wrote on Wed, 27 April 2005 14:28

thekid wrote on Wed, 27 April 2005 18:27

The other 3 people were him.

I think you're right, the e-mails behind those accounts are somewhat too close to be honest...
I don't think there anything you (or me for what matters) can do...




If you can prove it on the server end why not ban his account?

If you can't, then open up the game histories. Once he knows the jig is up and other people know he is a fraud he won't be taking much pride in his #1 ranking. At that point my guess is his account will become inactive on its own.

I'm still thinking about what we'll do. I'm confident he's cheating , but it is more difficult to certainly prove it, I'll have to look at the logs and correlate a few things.

My best solution so far would be to artificially lower his score, and let him know why we're doing this.
This does not solve the problem for the future, though.
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 27 April 2005 22:55
Achim, you're next.
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 27 April 2005 23:37
Brice,

How possible is it to open up the logs to everyone?

The very fact that things are open would probably deter people like Bum-Bum from cheating. I don't know what their motivation is, but I doubt it would carry the same joy for them if people knew what they were doing.

Having the top one (maybe two) players be cheaters really does detract from the rankings. In my mind thekid is the rightful #1 (at this moment ). Razz

Thanks to the people who posted Bum-Bum game logs.


Rek18
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Thu, 28 April 2005 01:28
I thought I'd write just b/c I've heard some comments about the number two spot being legitimate. I have played Achim on a heads up two player game a few weeks back (he was still ranked around 5 or 6 then) and it was a very competitive game. I could be wrong but I think that he's legitimate, I see him on during the day now and then. Anyways...
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Thu, 28 April 2005 02:19
Brice wrote on Thu, 28 April 2005 06:23

SKMorefield wrote on Wed, 27 April 2005 21:11



If you can prove it on the server end why not ban his account?


I'm still thinking about what we'll do. I'm confident he's cheating , but it is more difficult to certainly prove it, I'll have to look at the logs and correlate a few things.

My best solution so far would be to artificially lower his score, and let him know why we're doing this.
This does not solve the problem for the future, though.
Are you able to capture the IP addresses (or the MAC addresses) logins are coming from? If those accounts are always coming from the same IP address, that's a pretty good indication that he's cheating. It's not perfect, because it could be multiple people coming through the same proxy, or on a private network behind a router or something like that, but it's a good start.

If you can grab the MAC address as well, that'd be pretty darn conclusive. Also, if you get two logins from the one MAC address, the second one can simply be denied access. That prevents cheating using one computer.

Of course, if the cheater is is playing from two computers at once, you've still got a problem.

The problem with banning accounts, I would think, is that someone who has acquired an account via a webcard from a physical game already has a form of contract with you. I'm not an expert in this area, but I would have thought that it would be a bad idea to deny a person with a valid, unused webcard access. However, there's nothing to say you couldn't mark his account in some way - say, set his karma to 0. Make it possible to allow people to create games requiring no karma at all to play, leave the default karma requirement for a new game at 1, and write a new clause into the terms and conditions that those caught cheating will have their karma set to 0 (and otherwise karma will remain at 1 or higher). All of a sudden, cheaters are not only publicly marked, but so are the games in which they participate.

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Re:Diary of a blocker Thu, 28 April 2005 03:56
Sagittarius wrote on Wed, 27 April 2005 12:37

Roaring Possum schrieb am Wed, 27 April 2005 18:06

Here is the line from the game with Bum-Bum:
Bum-Bum (159) - Kleiner Feger (65) - Spieler98742 (65) - Spieler88888 (45) - Roaring Possum (107)



...

Why did you have only 107 points, possum?


Now I actually feel better about my score, not bad if I was playing 4 against 1. I got the impression that the other players were playing very passively though, I figured I could have blocked Bum-Bum if I could have counted on them to join in, but they never showed any willingness to block in the game. I didn't have any big tickets, so I bounced around completing high point track sections, probably made it hard for them(him) to do blocking of me. Glad to have had a part in bringing this down.
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Thu, 28 April 2005 05:51
br'er rabbit wrote on Wed, 27 April 2005 19:28

I thought I'd write just b/c I've heard some comments about the number two spot being legitimate. I have played Achim on a heads up two player game a few weeks back (he was still ranked around 5 or 6 then) and it was a very competitive game. I could be wrong but I think that he's legitimate, I see him on during the day now and then. Anyways...


Regarding Achim,

He may well be legitimate. The problem I have is the speed of his rise and the fact that he doesn't seem to answer the challenge of top players. From memory I think I've played him three times and won two. They were competitive games, but not to the level you get against thekid and others top ranked players (IMO). It isn't that I don't think he's a good player, just that he wasn't THAT good. I wouldn't go so far as to accuse him of cheating, at this point he is just suspicious.

I think a quick look at his game history could remove all doubt about his legitimacy.

      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Thu, 28 April 2005 12:25
Brice schrieb am Wed, 27 April 2005 20:28

I think you're right, the e-mails behind those accounts are somewhat too close to be honest...
I don't think there anything you (or me for what matters) can do...


I do not know him. But even, if two or three players live in the same city, use the same IP and share one domain for email does not prove, that these players are identical. They could be friends, living together in a flat share, or playing from a company or university LAN using the same proxy. The internet does not provide any usefull means to identify the person that is using a webpage or onlinegame. I think, we should be careful, before we blame someone a cheater.

BTW: http://homepage.mac.com/cxs/images/idog.jpg Wink
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Thu, 28 April 2005 14:22
toro1 wrote on Thu, 28 April 2005 12:25

Brice schrieb am Wed, 27 April 2005 20:28

I think you're right, the e-mails behind those accounts are somewhat too close to be honest...
I don't think there anything you (or me for what matters) can do...


I do not know him. But even, if two or three players live in the same city, use the same IP and share one domain for email does not prove, that these players are identical. They could be friends, living together in a flat share, or playing from a company or university LAN using the same proxy. The internet does not provide any usefull means to identify the person that is using a webpage or onlinegame. I think, we should be careful, before we blame someone a cheater.


Trust me, I've access to the e-mail address of the accounts.
When people keep using their real firstname and lastname in their addresses, there is no more doubt (only the domain part is changing).
      
thekid
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Re:Diary of a blocker Thu, 28 April 2005 21:52
Achim was at 1838 yesterday and only played 2 or 3 games today and his rating is now 1851. Is that fish I smell? Yes fishy. Come here guppy. 1 down, 1 to go. Like I said Achim you're next.
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Sun, 01 May 2005 02:48
I got my first angry quitter since changing my name. Kiba, apparently a very bright one, quits after I start to blockade the west coast:

ok machst deinem namen alle ahre
macht keinen sinn mehr

Google doesn't do a very good job of translating this, but I'm guessing he's saying now he understands my name. Finished off with the bot 109-24. Kiba you are pathetic.

      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Sun, 01 May 2005 11:17
Hi Rek - here is the translation:
OK - you are living up your name.
It makes no more sense (to continue the game)

As you know I am German, too. And I believe you are right. Most - or at lteast very many - German players consider blocking to be "unfair". They know that the rules clearly allow it, but don't like playing like it. It seems to be impolite. I think that this is a cultural thing.
I didn't block in the beginning... but have learnt it over time Smile The kid and you were great teacher Wink

Pilke for example is a player who is winning his games without blocking - at least against me. I can't recall whether I have ever seen him block for the purpose of blocking.

Anyway, I have to admit that when you had some bad games there is a lot fun in simply blocking around... well, it's a game... I support the view: The rules allow it - do it.
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Sun, 01 May 2005 20:17
The difference in attitude is interesting. I play games because I find it enjoyable to solve problems and be creative. Having a competitive opponent offers challenging problems to confront. I don't understand what someone like Kiba is playing for. It isn't to be social, because he wasn't chatting during the game. It isn't to be challenged, because he quit the moment that happened.

When I play games face-to-face (and with many people online) the reaction to a clever block (or equivalent in a different game) is respect: "You got me, nice play!" Playing to win to the best of your capabilities, so long as it is within the letter and spirit of the rules, is expected and appreciated.

Cheating or quitting a game midstream are the things that are frowned upon.
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Sun, 01 May 2005 22:29
deleted because opinion changed

[Mis à jour le: Mon, 02 May 2005 00:27]

      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Thu, 05 May 2005 09:48
I don't understand the big deal? If someone is blocking...then they're not necessarily getting their tickets done are they? Or better yet...block them back...

Only problem is...if you took too many large tickets in the beginning...not knowing it was going to be a blockfest.

Maybe as a suggestion...you could add a column in the game headings titled "Blocking"...then...for each game it should list "encouraged" or "discouraged" or more simply "yes" or "no". The host of the game would simply click a box when setting the game up to let everyone know this is the type of game he wishes to host..that way...going into the game...you know what you're in for...and therefore have no reason to whine...
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Tue, 10 May 2005 16:21
Looks like Bum-Bum and Achim2004 have both been knocked off the leader board. Congrats to thekid for finally being #1, which he deserves, and pilke too. These are definitely the top players at the moment. The rankings may finally be legitimate, thank you!

DoW, were these two players punished for cheating? If that is the case then an announcement in the forums (even if it doesn't mention specific names) might be an effective deterrent to others who are tempted to follow a similar path.

      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Tue, 10 May 2005 16:31
Congrats to thekid and especially to Pilke!!!!!
At least fairness is winning!

special note to Rek: now that you are ranked 7 i can get even more points form you Wink)

Thad

      
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