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Re:Diary of a blocker Tue, 10 May 2005 16:41
rek{} schrieb am Tue, 10 May 2005 16:21

Looks like Bum-Bum and Achim2004 have both been knocked off the leader board. ...




Bum-Bum has 1400 elo-points now, just like Achim2004. So it looks like they were punished. Thanks DoW.

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Re:Diary of a blocker Tue, 10 May 2005 17:19
Great news! Thanks DOW staff!! Yes, please post this in the forums as a deterrent. Congrats to thekid and pilke. It will be nice to have a #1 and #2 who are around, accept challenges, and actually PLAY the game the right way.



      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Tue, 10 May 2005 18:51
Thanks everyone. I am curious as to how Achim did it. We know Bum Bum was using 5 player games with at least 3 others being him. Brice can you let us know how Achim did it? Opening up the game histories to all of us will enable us to see anyone rocketing up the charts. This along with any future tournaments that are held will enable us to see who the true top players are.
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Tue, 10 May 2005 20:12
Thank you rek, thaddäus and SKMorefield for the congratulations Smile I try to deserve the place and beat you all Wink

Big thanks to you Dow people for your good work with this great online game.

I almost forgot you thekid. Congratulations for the first place! You are the best and deserve the first position. See you in games.

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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 11 May 2005 01:38
First post...

Well bouncing in the rankings between 1000 and 25 (where I am now), please let me indulge (divest?) myself in a few observations on blocking and play.

Yes, I appear to be the highest UK ranked player Smile and I do agree with the statement that some Germans do not like being blocked.

I toyed with the idea of when I have good tickets, let the others beat me on this alone. But after getting my butt kicked for allowing - oh so obvious - tracks to NY, I decided to become a bit more pragmatic in my play. If an opponent makes it blatently obvious that he requires NY or LA and we are roughly equal in points then I will block. He/she must realise that you must get your choke points down quickly else you will regret it.

My biggest revelation in the game is the zig zag - this does make it harder (perhaps I havent played much in the top 50!) to determine your route... but gives you loads of points!
Smile

Look forward to playing you ... blocking or not!

toadspawn
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 11 May 2005 10:37
Embarassed Hello to all,

first sorry for my english.

I accept the punish you give to me, because you are right, that I didn't play correctly the last month. After I reached 1750, 1760 points I began to play with my dummy account, because I didn't saw I chance to reach 1800 (or 1820 like Bum-Bum). I got a second ID, which I used to play the normal way (against others to get more points) and also to loose against myself to climb to more than 1820.

After this punish, I know now, that it is possible to find out those people, who play incorrect.

Because the game is fantastic, I promise, that I will never play wrong anyway to get more points.

Because I won't stop playing, I will go to the hard way from 1400 points to...(let's see)

Achim2004
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 11 May 2005 11:16
Hello Achim2004,
thanks for your post. Thats a great move and answers the questions some people still had on this case.

I would be happy to play with you some day. (Not immediately, you play too good for the amount of points I can strip from you now Laughing )

By the way, what's the name of your dummy?
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 11 May 2005 11:23
Hello Achim,

I watched one of your games today, you are good !
It's a pity you didn't try to get a good ranking honestly...

Anyway, you were honest enough to recognize you were cheating...

See you very soon at the top !
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 11 May 2005 15:39
Achim 2004,

Wow. It takes a big person to admit that on a forum such as this. So my kudos to you for taking that step. That was certainly brave.

And if you are willing to do that, I would submit that all should be forgiven by the other players and that everyone should cut you some slack. Chalk it up as a first time lesson.

      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 11 May 2005 16:27
Achim2004 wrote on Wed, 11 May 2005 01:37

Embarassed Hello to all,

first sorry for my english.

I accept the punish you give to me, because you are right, that I didn't play correctly the last month. After I reached 1750, 1760 points I began to play with my dummy account, because I didn't saw I chance to reach 1800 (or 1820 like Bum-Bum). I got a second ID, which I used to play the normal way (against others to get more points) and also to loose against myself to climb to more than 1820.

After this punish, I know now, that it is possible to find out those people, who play incorrect.

Because the game is fantastic, I promise, that I will never play wrong anyway to get more points.

Because I won't stop playing, I will go to the hard way from 1400 points to...(let's see)

Achim2004


I think some people are interested in the psychology behind your behaviour. What form of pleasure did you get in achieving a goal through underhanded measures? In the real world it is easier to understand why people cheat, they can get ahead in a tangible way -- more wealth, more status, whatever. In the game all you were doing was ruining the legitimacy of the system for everyone who plays it. From my point of view you got nothing for it. Maybe you can explain better?

I'm not as nice as leachris and Ryan (no news here). I think you had lots of opportunity to come clean sooner. The accusations were made long ago and you have been harrassed by people like thekid and myself to answer them -- but you ignored it. It seems like your remorse is just a product of having been caught and punished by DoW.

Anyway, in the end T2R is just a game and it is here for people to have fun. I'm angry at you for sabotaging that, and because to me you represent the people who do similar things in the real world where things do matter; selfish people who ruin good things for others. But again, we are here to have fun so it is not worth holding a grudge and I will try not to.

Your road back to the top ranks will (or should) be a tough one... I should think that people would want to avoid a player who is so underrated relative to his skill. When you make it back to about 1650 I'll be happy to play you too.


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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 11 May 2005 16:31
Hi Achim,

Thanks for the public apology. Although it should have come sooner, like before you were caught, that was big of you. From the responses so far I think most people will forgive and look forward to your climb up the ranks the right way.

Also, to complete the cleansing process, please tell us the name of your dummy account.

Best of luck,
SKM

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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 11 May 2005 21:28
Hello thekid,

Now it's your turn. It's not I or somebody else wants it. Its simply the situation that dictates it. Are you a leader?

Give us a glimpse of the divine being of your soul. Even though you eagerly hide that. We want to see the sparklers in your eyes.
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 11 May 2005 21:40
Not sure what the question means but I am guessing you are asking if I am cheating. The answer would be no. I don't even have a second account as many here do, I don't have the time. I am all for opening everyone's game history. I play everyone and fear no one. If that wasn't your question please rephrase it then.

Am I a leader, you bet. Not only am I number 1 here, I am also #1 in Top Race on BSW, 96.44% wins in 253 games, in the 2 player game. Can't beat me at card games or most others for that matter. thekid is theman.
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 11 May 2005 22:21
thekid, thekid, thekid Rolling Eyes

I *know* you do not cheat.

You guys are really stubborn and obtuse. How can a man be pushed without prescribing the direction he has to go? I'll ask my personal coach.

When you wrote "Achim, you're next.", that was total fun. Everybody could see the sparkling. Now it's time to bring it to an end.

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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 11 May 2005 22:39
Zugbegleiterin wrote on Wed, 11 May 2005 16:21

thekid, thekid, thekid Rolling Eyes

I *know* you do not cheat.

You guys are really stubborn and obtuse. How can a man be pushed without prescribing the direction he has to go? I'll ask my personal coach.

When you wrote "Achim, you're next.", that was total fun. Everybody could see the sparkling. Now it's time to bring it to an end.



Huh? I don't think anyone understands that. Not just "the kid".
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 11 May 2005 22:44
??????? No idea what you want to know. You mentioned something about me eagerly hiding my soul or something. I hide from no one and have nothing to hide. I would really like to know what you want to know.
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 11 May 2005 23:39
As a woman, I think I understand what Zug is speaking about...

But in my point of view , it's a misunterstanding about the " you're next "

the kid meant : you're the next cheater who will be revealed

I think Zug understood : Achim, you're the next leader

And that's why she said : now, thekid, it's your turn; because of the situation you are supposed to be the leader, show us the devine being in you, that you use to hide .

Am I right Zug ?

If I'm not, I promise to shut up next time Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Thu, 12 May 2005 00:20
léachris wrote on Wed, 11 May 2005 17:39



And that's why she said : now, thekid, it's your turn; because of the situation you are supposed to be the leader, show us the devine being in you, that you use to hide.



??? What?

I don't blame him (thekid) for scratching his head at this?
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Thu, 12 May 2005 00:59
Ryan35 écrit le Thu, 12 May 2005 00:20

léachris wrote on Wed, 11 May 2005 17:39



And that's why she said : now, thekid, it's your turn; because of the situation you are supposed to be the leader, show us the devine being in you, that you use to hide.



??? What?

I don't blame him (thekid) for scratching his head at this?


What is disturbing you Ryan ?

What I undestood or the pure literary style of what I wrote ?


OK, once again

Zug said :
now it's your turn
because of the situation you are supposed to be the leader.
Show us the devine being in you, being that you use to hide.

Clear now ?
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Thu, 12 May 2005 01:57
No Léachris.

You are fine. Disturbed is not what I am. I just need help understanding the deeper meaning about what all that comment is supposed to represent... as opposed to how it was written.

And it would be foolish of me to critique your literary style, as you write better English than some people who have it as their primary language. Plus, I know only one language... whereas you have an understanding of several languages, I'm sure. Its like the old joke:


What do you call someone who knows three languages?

A: Tri-Lingual

What do you call someone who knows two languages?

A: Bi-Lingual

What do you call someone who knows one language?

A: An American Confused
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Fri, 13 May 2005 00:42
I have really a hard time with all of you. Please forgive me when cultural differences or missing language skills might play a role. I didn't want to say it more clear, because there is secrets behind it that might disappear if you talk to much about them. It's not about thekid being a cheater. Such a thought would be pathetic in my view. It's not about misunderstanding the "you're next" comment. I try to say it for five-year-olds. And that can clearly be misunderstood in multiple ways, too. So give me a break.

Achim confessed cheating. 5 people gave a comment on that. It was not by accident that 2 women cleared the path. Three more casted it even better. Now it's thekid's role as the king to either lift or lower the thumb. That's it.
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Fri, 13 May 2005 00:55
Lift or lower my thumb for what? I am unclear. Sorry I don't understand. One question for you Zug, Is your avatar a picture of you?
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Fri, 13 May 2005 03:07
Zugbegleiterin,

My take:

A. You should never have to apologize for cultural differences. This is not an American or English forum exclusively, in terms of the people who are invited to post. It is for everyone of any nationality. English is only the language medium used to communicate on this particular forum; nothing more.

B. Your expectations for "thekid" are too high and I think that is why more than a few people are a bit confused. He is just a guy playing games. In particular, a game he happens to be very, very good at. But I don't think that he ascribes to be the "leader" of people here. He is just here to have a good time, play a few games and win. That's it. Certainly "thekid" holds no serious power or responsibility to police the content of the site or "lead" group discussions on the forum ... or give the thumbs up or thumbs down to any one of you here. That role is for the site administrators.

And I think "thekid" would be the first to agree.

But I think a broadening curisoity IS being arisen from a ever widening group of people... about your special interest shown in "thekid" and his well being.

It is nice that you wish well for him however. Smile
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Fri, 13 May 2005 03:13
thekid wrote on Thu, 12 May 2005 15:55

Lift or lower my thumb for what? I am unclear. Sorry I don't understand. One question for you Zug, Is your avatar a picture of you?


She wants your opinion of Achim and to either accept his apology or not as a final word on the matter.

I think this is misguided. Achim did not just cheat thekid, he cheated everyone. Thekid is at the top of the leader board and has a Napoleon complex, but that doesn't make him anyone's king. Smile

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Re:Diary of a blocker Fri, 13 May 2005 10:38
tdoss wrote on Thu, 05 May 2005 00:48

I don't understand the big deal? If someone is blocking...then they're not necessarily getting their tickets done are they? Or better yet...block them back...

Only problem is...if you took too many large tickets in the beginning...not knowing it was going to be a blockfest.

Maybe as a suggestion...you could add a column in the game headings titled "Blocking"...then...for each game it should list "encouraged" or "discouraged" or more simply "yes" or "no". The host of the game would simply click a box when setting the game up to let everyone know this is the type of game he wishes to host..that way...going into the game...you know what you're in for...and therefore have no reason to whine...



So...this post doesn't even merit a response?

We'd rather sit here and go back and forth on what Zug may have said or not said? I thought this thread was about "blocking"...not the soap opera that is the rankings...
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Fri, 13 May 2005 13:55
tdoss wrote on Fri, 13 May 2005 04:38

tdoss wrote on Thu, 05 May 2005 00:48

I don't understand the big deal? If someone is blocking...then they're not necessarily getting their tickets done are they? Or better yet...block them back...

Only problem is...if you took too many large tickets in the beginning...not knowing it was going to be a blockfest.

Maybe as a suggestion...you could add a column in the game headings titled "Blocking"...then...for each game it should list "encouraged" or "discouraged" or more simply "yes" or "no". The host of the game would simply click a box when setting the game up to let everyone know this is the type of game he wishes to host..that way...going into the game...you know what you're in for...and therefore have no reason to whine...



So...this post doesn't even merit a response?

We'd rather sit here and go back and forth on what Zug may have said or not said? I thought this thread was about "blocking"...not the soap opera that is the rankings...


Forum threads usually drift no matter where you are, and it took a turn for something people are also interested in hearing more about. The longer a thread goes, the more chances of a change in course.

As for your thoughts, I'd like to see a button too. While I don't care if someone uses blocking or not personally, I can see good reasons why it would be good to see as a checkbox. I think you might have better luck getting a response in the Sugestions For The Next Release thread, or making it a separate suggestion thread. It's gotten kind of buried in this one.
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Fri, 13 May 2005 15:17
tdoss wrote on Fri, 13 May 2005 01:38

tdoss wrote on Thu, 05 May 2005 00:48

I don't understand the big deal? If someone is blocking...then they're not necessarily getting their tickets done are they? Or better yet...block them back...

Only problem is...if you took too many large tickets in the beginning...not knowing it was going to be a blockfest.

Maybe as a suggestion...you could add a column in the game headings titled "Blocking"...then...for each game it should list "encouraged" or "discouraged" or more simply "yes" or "no". The host of the game would simply click a box when setting the game up to let everyone know this is the type of game he wishes to host..that way...going into the game...you know what you're in for...and therefore have no reason to whine...



So...this post doesn't even merit a response?

We'd rather sit here and go back and forth on what Zug may have said or not said? I thought this thread was about "blocking"...not the soap opera that is the rankings...


I guess your idea is harmless, but there are a million things I'd like to see the developers (err, developer?) do first.

Blocking is a part of the game, period. Even for people who feel it isn't nice, I'm sure there are times when they see someone else is going where they are and then drop their train in first. Wanting no blocking in T2R is like having a boxing fight and saying, "ok, but no hitting hard". A game with grey rules like that isn't much of a game, IMO. Another problem you'd get is people who prey on the docile anti-blockers by joining their games and blocking the crap out of them. We've seen that some people will do almost anything to gain an advantage in the rankings, so I'm sure this would happen. Even without rating as a motivator, some might just find it fun to toy with people who have such a ridiculous concept of gaming.

(I confess: Deep down I love it when some moron swears at me in German and quits a game. I think the first post in this thread makes that clear enough. Some kinder (?!) part of me denies myself the pleasure.)

As for your post getting no response. I meant to answer it when I first saw it but didn't have time and then I forgot (and the thread moved on). Sorry if it made you feel unloved.

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Re:Diary of a blocker Fri, 13 May 2005 15:24
tdoss wrote on Fri, 13 May 2005 04:38

tdoss wrote on Thu, 05 May 2005 00:48

I don't understand the big deal? If someone is blocking...then they're not necessarily getting their tickets done are they? Or better yet...block them back...

Only problem is...if you took too many large tickets in the beginning...not knowing it was going to be a blockfest.

Maybe as a suggestion...you could add a column in the game headings titled "Blocking"...then...for each game it should list "encouraged" or "discouraged" or more simply "yes" or "no". The host of the game would simply click a box when setting the game up to let everyone know this is the type of game he wishes to host..that way...going into the game...you know what you're in for...and therefore have no reason to whine...



So...this post doesn't even merit a response?

We'd rather sit here and go back and forth on what Zug may have said or not said? I thought this thread was about "blocking"...not the soap opera that is the rankings...



Sorry, as the last guy said, it's easy for a thread to change course. As to your suggestion, I understand what you are saying but to me that would be like playing a game of chess and not allowing castling or 'forks'... it takes away an essential part of the game. As thekid has said many times, if someone wants a game with no potential for blocking, they should play Candyland or solitaire.

Besides, then one would always be in an argument as to what was a block and what was not... sometimes someone might 'block' me and it just be on their route, but I never really know that until after the game.



SKM

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Re:Diary of a blocker Sat, 14 May 2005 09:59
El Soyokaze wrote on Fri, 13 May 2005 20:10

And I'll be your Luke Skywalker. One, because I'm probably the youngest here. Two, because I may be about to defeat Darthkid.


Dear little Sosy, be Luke please.
Some here want me to be Leia or Skywalker but fighting a backward kid begins to bore me....

thekid écrit le Thu, 12 May 2005 18:27

And here, I am the King.

Ah ! Happy times when in France we could behead kings

kid... mat
rek{} écrit le Fri, 13 May 2005 03:13

Thekid is at the top of the leader board and has a Napoleon complex, but that doesn't make him anyone's king.


If you permit me Rek: kiss Wink

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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 18 May 2005 11:05
Wow. I never imagined people could take this game so seriously.
      
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  Re:Diary of a blocker Thu, 11 May 2006 22:37
Topics in this thread that I will address:
#1 Blocking: Part of the game. If you come against a blocker, there are strategies to overcome this. A lot of smaller routes are harder to block. Several times I have made long routes and was beaten because the opposing player had a lot of smaller routes.
#2 Cheating: I have three user names in my household. Sometimes our family will play TTR together on the computers. I'll admit that the kids got a kick out of playing themselves. This does not happen very often. Personally, I think the game would be boring playing against oneself. We don't use our accounts to lift our rankings or as blockers. Clearly this is unethical.

Rankings: I don't play for rankings, but when I create a game, I'll leave the ranking system on. I like to play a variety of people and see the different playing styles. Isn't that the point of the internet game?
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 10 August 2011 08:42


Maybe as a suggestion...you could add a column in the game headings titled "Blocking"...then...for each game it should list "encouraged" or "discouraged" or more simply "yes" or "no". The host of the game would simply click a box when setting the game up to let everyone know this is the type of game he wishes to host..that way...going into the game...you know what you're in for...and therefore have no reason to whine...[/quote]

This is a VERY good idea Smile
      
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Re:Diary of a blocker Wed, 10 August 2011 09:16
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player781200 wrote on Wed, 10 August 2011 08:42



Maybe as a suggestion...you could add a column in the game headings titled "Blocking"...then...for each game it should list "encouraged" or "discouraged" or more simply "yes" or "no". The host of the game would simply click a box when setting the game up to let everyone know this is the type of game he wishes to host..that way...going into the game...you know what you're in for...and therefore have no reason to whine...


This is a VERY good idea Smile



Just as good as playing a game of soccer or hockey and asking your opponents to declare before the game whether or not they intend to defend Smile

In Ticket to Ride we could then also add a button to ask how many tickets you intend to draw, if you like to finish fast etc. etc.
Blocking is an integral part of the game, period.
      
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