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*player76100
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Guest account ranking Wed, 25 May 2005 21:02
I'd like to see some form of a guest account ranking for the next release. While I understand the idea to minimize the privileges of guests, it would be helpful to know the skill level of somebody before you're going to play. I've run into a couple of guests in the last two weeks that boosted my score by 4-6 points. Clearly there are people in there with 1600+ score. I'm a little unsure too, as to whether or not one of them consistently changes their name so as not to become familiar. It seems to me that there could be a separate rank for guests just like provisional players only it hides the score. Obviously, I'd rather know the score but this would give the guest the ability to find their overall rank on the established players list. If nothing else, it would at least give other players an idea of what they're up against. One guy I spoke to, actually knew his score anyways. He logged all of his games on Microsoft Excel. Also, I'm a little unsure as to why the number of games is hidden. Anybody else interested in this idea?
      
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Re:Guest account ranking Wed, 25 May 2005 21:23
Fond-of-a-short-blonde wrote on Wed, 25 May 2005 15:02

I'd like to see some form of a guest account ranking for the next release. While I understand the idea to minimize the privileges of guests, it would be helpful to know the skill level of somebody before you're going to play. I've run into a couple of guests in the last two weeks that boosted my score by 4-6 points. Clearly there are people in there with 1600+ score. I'm a little unsure too, as to whether or not one of them consistently changes their name so as not to become familiar. It seems to me that there could be a separate rank for guests just like provisional players only it hides the score. Obviously, I'd rather know the score but this would give the guest the ability to find their overall rank on the established players list. If nothing else, it would at least give other players an idea of what they're up against. One guy I spoke to, actually knew his score anyways. He logged all of his games on Microsoft Excel. Also, I'm a little unsure as to why the number of games is hidden. Anybody else interested in this idea?



I would just like to be able to exclude guests entirely. It's amazing to me that someone would be into the game so much as to log his games onto excel (where it still wouldn't be accurate because he plays other guests) but too CHEAP to pay the buck or two a month to have normal status and actually see his score!

And since anyone can open a guest account or as many as they please, and with the cheating (a.k.a. multiple personality) factor, it just makes me not want to play guests period.

I'm sure you are right about the changing names and agree that it would be nice to see their ranking, but my take on it is I'd just rather not play them at all (although I know that's not possible).
      
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Re:Guest account ranking Wed, 25 May 2005 22:45
SKMorefield wrote on Wed, 25 May 2005 22:23

my take on it is I'd just rather not play them at all (although I know that's not possible).



I feel the same way about the guests. Now when I play with tiuku and don't want to ask the top players to play with me (because of tiuku's lower score compared to pilke), so I have just made open games. I took example from Zugbegleiterin and put words "No guests please" as a title. When somebody comes to the game, I put account to my buddy list. If it is a guest account, I ask the person kindly to leave. All three have left. (If I wait too long am I replaced by a bot?) Of cource this is lot of work and I would rather get some other way tho avoid guests.

Only guest I have lately played with is a finnish player Wuonex (not my husband either;) He is very good nowadays. I just lost point or two with tiuku account, because we got a tie. Wuonex, please buy a game with a webcard!
      
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Re:Guest account ranking Thu, 26 May 2005 03:36
Hey DOW guys is there a way to not let the guests change their name to anything other than guestXXXXX. This way people could choose to not play guests and it wouldn't matter if they change their names because they could only change it to a new number.

To my post earlier today about low ranked people. Today I lost to Stefan99 who is ranked in the 3600's. He did not play like he was ranked there, plus 2 mistakes by me = a loss for thekid. Don't know if anyone else has played him but my opinion was that he was pretty good.
      
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Re:Guest account ranking Fri, 27 May 2005 02:43
Fond-of-a-short-blonde wrote on Wed, 25 May 2005 21:02

...Clearly there are people in there with 1600+ score. I'm a little unsure too, as to whether or not one of them consistently changes their name so as not to become familiar. ... One guy I spoke to, actually knew his score anyways. He logged all of his games on Microsoft Excel. Also, I'm a little unsure as to why the number of games is hidden. Anybody else interested in this idea?

I know the person. You talk about Oma Kasulzke, or Aloha. I created the Excel she uses, and I taught her playing. She's really good nowadays. She even won against thekid, Optimus, léachris, osamu, br'er rabbit, Kimber and others.

SKMorefield wrote on Wed, 25 May 2005 21:23


It's amazing to me that someone would be into the game so much as to log his games onto excel (where it still wouldn't be accurate because he plays other guests) but too CHEAP to pay the buck or two a month to have normal status and actually see his score!


Guests can't play other guests in 2-player games. The Excel sheet is accurate. I made it. That says all.

Oma Kasulzke doesn't want to expose herself too much. That's why she keeps renaming herself, when people attack her. It's amazing how rude and envious people can become, when they find somebody plays better. She plays just for pleasure, not for fame. She is a top 20 player and is ranked accordingly. When you win her, she transfers more than 4 points to your account. So why do you care?
      
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Re:Guest account ranking Fri, 27 May 2005 04:02
Zugbegleiterin wrote on Thu, 26 May 2005 20:43

Fond-of-a-short-blonde wrote on Wed, 25 May 2005 21:02

...Clearly there are people in there with 1600+ score. I'm a little unsure too, as to whether or not one of them consistently changes their name so as not to become familiar. ... One guy I spoke to, actually knew his score anyways. He logged all of his games on Microsoft Excel. Also, I'm a little unsure as to why the number of games is hidden. Anybody else interested in this idea?

I know the person. You talk about Oma Kasulzke, or Aloha. I created the Excel she uses, and I taught her playing. She's really good nowadays. She even won against thekid, Optimus, léachris, osamu, br'er rabbit, Kimber and others.

SKMorefield wrote on Wed, 25 May 2005 21:23


It's amazing to me that someone would be into the game so much as to log his games onto excel (where it still wouldn't be accurate because he plays other guests) but too CHEAP to pay the buck or two a month to have normal status and actually see his score!


Guests can't play other guests in 2-player games. The Excel sheet is accurate. I made it. That says all.

Oma Kasulzke doesn't want to expose herself too much. That's why she keeps renaming herself, when people attack her. It's amazing how rude and envious people can become, when they find somebody plays better. She plays just for pleasure, not for fame. She is a top 20 player and is ranked accordingly. When you win her, she transfers more than 4 points to your account. So why do you care?



I don't think that anybody was attacking this person personally. I didn't even give the name of this person. In fact they seemed like a very nice person and up front about their score after the game. Now that you mention her other name, I think I've played her 4 or 5 other times. The point is that it would be nice to be able to see somebody's score or rank before you play them in a game. If I continue to change my name people still know what my rank is regardless, if they cruise the lobby. I don't think anybody is being rude or envious. Here's two questions. 1) If she just plays for fun, why is she keeping track of her rank on excel? and 2)If you don't care, then why do you try to exclude guests from all of your games?

      
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Re:Guest account ranking Fri, 27 May 2005 08:37
Zugbegleiterin écrit le Fri, 27 May 2005 02:43


Oma Kasulzke doesn't want to expose herself too much. That's why she keeps renaming herself, when people attack her. It's amazing how rude and envious people can become, when they find somebody plays better.


I'm surprised to discover that you know her ( her profile says she's in the USA !!!)

Well, I "met" her one night, she was provoking a good ( and top ranked player) friend of mine in the lobby.
He didn't want to play a guest ( just like you do !!! )
She became so rude that I told her I would print screen, most of what she said was censored, it means it was really rude... Mad Mad Mad
perhaps that grandma ( oma = grandma) was drunk Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


Tell her to be more pleasant!
      
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Re:Guest account ranking Fri, 27 May 2005 08:40
Fond-of-a-short-blonde écrit le Fri, 27 May 2005 04:02

1) If she just plays for fun, why is she keeping track of her rank on excel? and 2)If you don't care, then why do you try to exclude guests from all of your games?


I absolutely agree with you !

Last minute scoop


Zugbegleiterin plays guests !!!!

unbelievable !!!!!


and the most unbelievable is that she plays VERY often 2 guests and ALWAYS wins


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Re:Guest account ranking Fri, 27 May 2005 09:18
Zugbegleiterin écrit le Fri, 27 May 2005 02:43

You talk about Oma Kasulzke, or Aloha. I created the Excel she uses, and I taught her playing. She's really good nowadays. She even won against thekid, Optimus, léachris, osamu, br'er rabbit, Kimber and others.


it's very strange !!!

Can you tell me when she beat me, I remember playing aloha, but I can't find the name in my games history.

Or did you quickly change the name of the account into trainmaker or spieler 108xxx, one of the 2 guests accounts of your games history ?
      
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Re:Guest account ranking Fri, 27 May 2005 15:52
Zugbegleiterin wrote on Thu, 26 May 2005 20:43

Fond-of-a-short-blonde wrote on Wed, 25 May 2005 21:02

...Clearly there are people in there with 1600+ score. I'm a little unsure too, as to whether or not one of them consistently changes their name so as not to become familiar. ... One guy I spoke to, actually knew his score anyways. He logged all of his games on Microsoft Excel. Also, I'm a little unsure as to why the number of games is hidden. Anybody else interested in this idea?

I know the person. You talk about Oma Kasulzke, or Aloha. I created the Excel she uses, and I taught her playing. She's really good nowadays. She even won against thekid, Optimus, léachris, osamu, br'er rabbit, Kimber and others.

SKMorefield wrote on Wed, 25 May 2005 21:23


It's amazing to me that someone would be into the game so much as to log his games onto excel (where it still wouldn't be accurate because he plays other guests) but too CHEAP to pay the buck or two a month to have normal status and actually see his score!


Guests can't play other guests in 2-player games. The Excel sheet is accurate. I made it. That says all.

Oma Kasulzke doesn't want to expose herself too much. That's why she keeps renaming herself, when people attack her. It's amazing how rude and envious people can become, when they find somebody plays better. She plays just for pleasure, not for fame. She is a top 20 player and is ranked accordingly. When you win her, she transfers more than 4 points to your account. So why do you care?




I was looking through Kimber's game list. She doesn't have any losses to Aloha, but she does have a recent loss on May 8th to Spieler108345, who, coincidentally, 'lost' to Zugbegleiterin 40 times in a row in March and April...

BUSTED!!!!!


Zug has been clean for some time though... I knew opening (and the threat of opening) these game histories would curb the cheating problem!! Nod

Stop the charades and multiple personalities, Zug, and just play the game. You are a good player in your own right!



Best,
SKM


Update: I was in Kimber's file so the post will appear as her.

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Re:Guest account ranking Fri, 27 May 2005 22:19
Hi SKMorefield,

so you made your mind up. Believe and say what you want. Just make sure to spell my name correctly. HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH

I just know that I never cheated on purpose. Back in February I was ranked fourth, knowing that the tops back then were cheaters. When I encountered their dummies, I told them right away, who they were. I did not cheat back. In March I had few time to play and fell back. I made some experiments then. That made me advance by 1 or 2 ranks, taking me from 10 to 8, if I remember right. Not such a big deal when you've been moving up and down between 5 and 15 for a long time. I earned more in the long run from the knowledge about fighting ticket fiend strategies than from the actual scores. That was not right, you think? That's what came to my mind, too. I stopped that before the cheating discussion came up.

C'mon, why should I cheat on such a low level. Going straight to 2000 elo points with cheating, that might be a challenge that would fit me. But I doubt that would be fun. Bum-Bum was just a loser on the fun side and the doing side.

What did we learn from the opening of the histories? When you have done with cheaters or those who look like, just have a close look at those wo flee competition or complain about having to play low-ranks, because they have no strategies for ticket fiends. Or look at those who make an elitest lobby club and avoid to play all others. You'll find their wimpy behavior in their histories as well.

I play any member, regardless of their score. Only a few tops had the balls to actually play me during the past weeks. If you think I'm over-ranked - just come on. And make sure to spell my name correctly. HAHAHAAHHHAAAARRRRHARRHARRHAARRRHAR

      
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Re:Guest account ranking Fri, 27 May 2005 22:36
Folks, I better admit it now before someone opens up my game history and finds out the truth. I've been cheating. I promise to stop immediately... from now going forward. Razz

Seriously, though... everyone needs to chill out about the "cheating"....to an extent. Yes, there are serious cases that need to be called out. Totally agree. But some of this stuff is taking on the air of "The Inquisition" now... and Mystery of the Abbey, the last time I checked, is as of yet to be made an online game.

There are people who probably play husbands, wives, friends or whomever....very often....and regularly clean house against them. And they may even be highly ranked players. But not everyone who plays the online game is doing it for the purpose of being highly ranked. We need to remember that.

However, I do agree with those who say the rankings are a "meta-game" within themselves. And that viewpoint needs to be respected as well.

So the respect and understanding has to be on both sides?

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Re:Guest account ranking Fri, 27 May 2005 22:59
Warner13 écrit le Fri, 27 May 2005 22:36

So the respect and understanding has to be on both sides?




read the post just above yours

where do you see respect ?


when a cheater is busted, the only thing he has to do is to admit it, to apologize (as did achim 2004)

and there MUST be a penalty for them

that's all

      
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Re:Guest account ranking Fri, 27 May 2005 23:20
Zugbegleiterin wrote on Fri, 27 May 2005 16:19

Hi SKMorefield,

so you made your mind up. Believe and say what you want. Just make sure to spell my name correctly. HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH

I just know that I never cheated on purpose. Back in February I was ranked fourth, knowing that the tops back then were cheaters. When I encountered their dummies, I told them right away, who they were. I did not cheat back. In March I had few time to play and fell back. I made some experiments then. That made me advance by 1 or 2 ranks, taking me from 10 to 8, if I remember right. Not such a big deal when you've been moving up and down between 5 and 15 for a long time. I earned more in the long run from the knowledge about fighting ticket fiend strategies than from the actual scores. That was not right, you think? That's what came to my mind, too. I stopped that before the cheating discussion came up.

C'mon, why should I cheat on such a low level. Going straight to 2000 elo points with cheating, that might be a challenge that would fit me. But I doubt that would be fun. Bum-Bum was just a loser on the fun side and the doing side.

What did we learn from the opening of the histories? When you have done with cheaters or those who look like, just have a close look at those wo flee competition or complain about having to play low-ranks, because they have no strategies for ticket fiends. Or look at those who make an elitest lobby club and avoid to play all others. You'll find their wimpy behavior in their histories as well.

I play any member, regardless of their score. Only a few tops had the balls to actually play me during the past weeks. If you think I'm over-ranked - just come on. And make sure to spell my name correctly. HAHAHAAHHHAAAARRRRHARRHARRHAARRRHAR




Hi Zug,

I thought I did spell your name correctly. Is it not??

For the record, I did note that you had not done this for some time. I'll accept your explanation and also acknowledge the fact that you do play anybody who challenges, and have (as I stated before) a good record in your own right without the 40 games against your alter-ego.

The only problem I have left is the fact that you wrote, and I quote: "I know the person. You talk about Oma Kasulzke, or Aloha. I created the Excel she uses, and I taught her playing. She's really good nowadays. She even won against thekid, Optimus, léachris, osamu, br'er rabbit, Kimber and others... Oma Kasulzke doesn't want to expose herself too much. That's why she keeps renaming herself, when people attack her. It's amazing how rude and envious people can become, when they find somebody plays better. She plays just for pleasure, not for fame. She is a top 20 player and is ranked accordingly. When you win her, she transfers more than 4 points to your account. So why do you care?"

Not only did you create the Excel she uses, you created HER, and lied about it on this forum. I do think you owe an apology for that, and I'm sure myself and everyone else will gladly accept it and move on from this!!

I'll gladly play YOU any day... but not interested in playing Aloha or Oma Kasulzke or Spieler108345 or whatever you take to calling 'her' these days. Wink



Best,
SKM







      
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Re:Guest account ranking Sat, 28 May 2005 00:15
léachris wrote on Fri, 27 May 2005 16:59

Warner13 écrit le Fri, 27 May 2005 22:36

So the respect and understanding has to be on both sides?




read the post just above yours

where do you see respect ?


when a cheater is busted, the only thing he has to do is to admit it, to apologize (as did achim 2004)

and there MUST be a penalty for them

that's all





I think you have a good point, Léachris.

I think what is happening here is that Zug (great, now I am using nicknames...) and has had something brought up from the far past and is being put into a position where she feels defensive about it... and with good cause, because for the vast majority of time, she has been a very good playing citizen here. And it sounds like maybe she was testing some things.... motivation and purpose become hard to define here... It just starts to take overtones of a witch hunt where people smell blood in the water and just pounce on it. I am not refering to you in this instance... I genuinely think you are all about fair justice, Léachris and just want to see the right thing done.

Think about this thoughtfully everyone... I do sense that if the current back and forth of this continues to go on... there are going to plenty of hurt feelings to go around for you guys.... and then you will all have to make up again. So why have a lose-lose situation...when you can go for the win-win?

Days of Wonder did you all a favor by opening up the game histories.... I'm sure they did it to prevent future cheating and to call out present offenders. But if people start taking things to the extreme and digging up past histories from five, six, eight months ago or whatever.... and it gets to be ugly... they WILL think twice before they implement future requests..no matter how great the demand.

SK Moreland.... your point is well-made and I'm sure it is taken to heart. I would caution about potentially backing Zug up into a corner where the only way out... is to fight her way out. She plays the game fair. I have seen you demonstrate class many a time here and you have often been a voice of reason. You know where to take it from here.

Léachris... excellent point that you made... as always. Smile

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Re:Guest account ranking Sat, 28 May 2005 00:21
SKMorefield écrit le Fri, 27 May 2005 23:20

I do think you owe an apology for that, and I'm sure myself and everyone else will move on from this !!

SKM


I'm not sure to undestand what you mean.

If that means we have to say an apology is enough, and no penalty, I disagree

achim was put to 1400 for less than 50 games against himself

this is exactly the same situation; then no penalty woud be unjust, that's my opinion !


update : still lying !!!

a new birthdate for zug : 1981

aloha told me she was zug's daughter and was 16 !!!!!!!!

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Re:Guest account ranking Sat, 28 May 2005 00:48
léachris wrote on Fri, 27 May 2005 18:21

SKMorefield écrit le Fri, 27 May 2005 23:20

I do think you owe an apology for that, and I'm sure myself and everyone else will move on from this !!

SKM


I'm not sure to undestand what you mean.

If that means we have to say an apology is enough, and no penalty, I disagree

achim was put to 1400 for less than 50 games against himself

this is exactly the same situation; then no penalty woud be unjust, that's my opinion !



Hi Lea,

Yes, I agree that there should be a penalty, but that is up to DoW to decide. For my part, I'll accept an apology and a promise not to do it again. As mere 'citizens' that's all we can do. If DoW decides to punish, then it is just, but even if they do not, just opening up the game histories has taken all the 'fun' out of cheating. I doubt it will happen much anymore regardless of what happens.

As to Ryan's comments: first of all (not that it's a big deal) the tag is SKMorefield; secondly, I agree with you to a point. This isn't just a few games steak many months ago, we're only talking a couple of months here, and 40 games IN A ROW... AND intentional lies. If you don't think that's a big deal, that can make a difference of at least 100 points in the ratings. I am at 1650(ish) now, rated low 20's. I could vault to top 5 if I did the same thing. So while I do think this should have been brought to everyone's attention, I do not think we should dwell on it if Zug gives an apology. She is a good player and a good contributer to this forum, and should be recognized for that. If she is demoted she will rise back up to at least top 20 I'm sure.


Best,
SKM
      
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Re:Guest account ranking Sat, 28 May 2005 00:57
Lea, (again, with the nicknames...)

I thought you and Zug were "friends" again?


SKMorefield,

I am sorry I got your name wrong. When you said that I cringed. So am definitely sorry about that.

As for the rest, I tried... everyone seems determined to see this through.


Where's Peter when you need him? Razz

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Re:Guest account ranking Sat, 28 May 2005 01:32
SKMorefield écrit le Sat, 28 May 2005 00:48

I agree with you to a point. This isn't just a few games steak many months ago, we're only talking a couple of months here, and 40 games IN A ROW... AND intentional lies. If you don't think that's a big deal, that can make a difference of at least 100 pointsin the ratings.


I didn't want to do it , but what you said teased me

I counted: 68 won games against trainmaker and player 108xxx and let's say 3 points per game ( both guests are top ranked, don't forget ! )

that means 204 points,her score should be 1501 points and the place 250th !!!!


let's stop with all that !!!!


of course DOW will decide but I won't move on with only some apologies

and don't forget that :

Zugbegleiterin écrit le Sat, 21 May 2005 21:14

Nobody should apologize for anything.

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Re:Guest account ranking Sat, 28 May 2005 01:55
Wow, the witchhunt has realy started. Sad Sad I don't like cheating either, but let's keep things in perspective.


If Zugbegleiterin isn't going to apologise we are all going to ban her or what? Or maybe better: burn her like we used to do with witches!!!! Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Zug has proved to be a good player, who deserves a high ranking. If she would not be so good, her ranking would have dropped since then. I would love to play her once, apology or not.




      
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Re:Guest account ranking Sat, 28 May 2005 02:15
Leachris,

So again...

I thought you and Zug were "friends" again? What happened?


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Re:Guest account ranking Sat, 28 May 2005 08:25
Rode katers wrote on Sat, 28 May 2005 02:55

Wow, the witchhunt has realy started. Sad Sad I don't like cheating either, but let's keep things in perspective.

If Zugbegleiterin isn't going to apologise we are all going to ban her or what? Or maybe better: burn her like we used to do with witches!!!! Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Zug has proved to be a good player, who deserves a high ranking. If she would not be so good, her ranking would have dropped since then. I would love to play her once, apology or not.


Warner13 wrote on Sat, 28 May 2005 03:15

Leachris,
So again...
I thought you and Zug were "friends" again? What happened?


So if somebody is succesful and has good skills, we just should like her and be friends, even though she is lying and cheating? And when she was caught, she was just trying to find faults of other people.

Zug, I think account oma's actions are more the mob like, than the persons you are blaming.

Is this really you or your role as a zugbegleiterin with a bad customer's service?

I don't appreciate lying at all.

You seemed very nice when I was writing with you in the lobby and in the game we played. I admire your playing skills. I think you belong to TOP10. I enjoyed playing with you. I hope I can meet that nice zugbegleiterin some day again. But it is up to you. If you choose not, it is your choice. I am not going to "burn" you anyway. It is just so that in that case here are plenty of other nice people who I can spend my time with. (And I might anyway forget your lying, I don't remember bad things long time.)
      
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Re:Guest account ranking Sat, 28 May 2005 08:26
Warner13 écrit le Sat, 28 May 2005 02:15

Leachris,

So again...

I thought you and Zug were "friends" again? What happened?


I usually like people, but if someone I appreciate deceives me, I never accept it and there must be real efforts from that person so that I can forgive ( some players can witness of that Wink )

Where are the efforts here ?

I hate liars and will never admit insults

More lies thant I would ever imagine

Insults : read again the lost past (disgusting)

And above all, I can't bear unjustice.


Achim did less than her, apologized and never insulted anyone.And HE was punished

I won't post anymore on that thread. Now, I wait and see.... I said what I felt, period.
      
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Re:Guest account ranking Sat, 28 May 2005 11:20
Rode katers schrieb am Sat, 28 May 2005 01:55



If Zugbegleiterin isn't going to apologise we are all going to ban her or what? Or maybe better: burn her like we used to do with witches!!!! Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Zug has proved to be a good player, who deserves a high ranking. If she would not be so good, her ranking would have dropped since then. I would love to play her once, apology or not.




C'mon, nobody will be burned here. But I agree with Léachris. Achim is a very good player, too. He deserved the Top10-ranking position and he proved he is good. But he cheated, so he'd been punished. If Lance Armstrong would caught doping in the next Tour, nobody would say "Oh, that's ok, you proved you are good. An apology will do it. Oh, and here is your gold medall."

I have to say: This is not about Zug (I have my opinion), this is about your argumentation 'an apology would be enough'.

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*player12013
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Re:Guest account ranking Sat, 28 May 2005 14:03
Leachris and Pilke,

I concede the point. Obviously with 0 on-line games, I don't have anything invested in this and admittedly see things with a different perspective. None of this offends me... but I can see where there would be importance to most of you.

It just was more fun when everyone wasn't mad at each other all of the time and you all were having some good-natured kidding around with some excellent and very funny displays of wit and humor.

So we leave it up to Peter now to solely provide the good natured entertainment for us.

Peter, you better deliver... or else. Mad

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SKMorefield
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Re:Guest account ranking Sat, 28 May 2005 16:23
Optimus wrote on Sat, 28 May 2005 05:20


C'mon, nobody will be burned here. But I agree with Léachris. Achim is a very good player, too. He deserved the Top10-ranking position and he proved he is good. But he cheated, so he'd been punished. If Lance Armstrong would caught doping in the next Tour, nobody would say "Oh, that's ok, you proved you are good. An apology will do it. Oh, and here is your gold medall."

I have to say: This is not about Zug (I have my opinion), this is about your argumentation 'an apology would be enough'.


Hi Optimus,

I agree totally that she SHOULD be punished. I HOPE that she IS punished. However, on this end, accepting an apology is all we can do. I think the main thing is we just want the cheating to stop.



SKM
      
Optimus
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Re:Guest account ranking Sat, 28 May 2005 22:11
Zugbegleiterin schrieb am Fri, 27 May 2005 22:19


...

I just know that I never cheated on purpose.

...





What?
What does that mean? Did it accidentally happen? Like: "Ups, I played my 2nd accound and won Shocked ."?

By saying you didn't cheat on purpose you said that you cheated. There is no "a little cheating" or "accidentally cheating".
      
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  Re:Guest account ranking Sun, 29 May 2005 19:14
Hard to believe that somebody, who seems to be that intelligent, plays 40 games for strategy developement without thinking about improving the ranking Evil or Very Mad
      
Peter de Zeeuw
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Re:Guest account ranking Wed, 01 June 2005 10:42
Here I am.

I'm not wasting too many words on this on.

I don't like cheaters.
I don't like people lying about their age, sex or anything other for that matter: basically I don't like liars.
And I laugh at people who spend to much time on this forum trying to make a point to people they've never even seen in their lives.

Lighten up or I'll trash you all! (...and I will Grin)

D.I.S.

O, and I also played Stefan99 once. I lost (86-89)...

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