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thekid
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The easiest way to the top Sat, 04 June 2005 12:45
Is for me to play you Rek. The mystery poster I guess didn't want to go any further to see my 7 in a row against you, a top 10. And when, do tell have I ever denied you a game? If it's so easy to do then come on, catch me.
    
Angel 6
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  Re:The easiest way to the top Sat, 04 June 2005 18:03
Hi Rek,

the ELO ranking is designed to assure that every win and loss affects your ranking correctly, no matter the strength of the opponent as long as he got a correct ranking.

Is there any prove of your statement that it is easier to get a high ranking by playing weak opponents than strong opponents, or is this just your opinion?

Maybe you are better "trained" in beating weak opponents than beating strong ones?! (as I am probably)
Or Maybe you often played strong opponents who were unterrated for some reason?!

At least, I like to think that my own way of reaching a high ranking is as difficult as anybody elses. Cool
Winning 40 games in a row (against random and therefore mainly weak opponents) brought me from around 1720 to 1748.
I can not even imagine to get to 1850 only playing weak ones, as I needed to get 15+ wins for every defeat, and at a ranking of 1800+ it would be 20+ wins for every defeat - mind boggling!

Michael
    
*player44342
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Re:The easiest way to the top Sat, 04 June 2005 20:53
Angel6 wrote on Sat, 04 June 2005 09:03

Is there any prove of your statement that it is easier to get a high ranking by playing weak opponents than strong opponents, or is this just your opinion?


I don't know how it could be proved, it is just my experience. I've gone up and down in the 1700s several times, up by playing random opponents, down by playing top 100 players (thad, jac_, optimus, airbus, pilke, thekid, etc.)

I started a new account and won the first 31 games with it against random opponents. I would guess you could win 29/30 without much trouble.
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thekid spewed on Sat, 04 June 2005 03:45


Is for me to play you Rek. The mystery poster I guess didn't want to go any further to see my 7 in a row against you, a top 10. And when, do tell have I ever denied you a game? If it's so easy to do then come on, catch me.



You have often denied a game or disappeared fast when I log in. I've never see you start a game with top players around to join it. The anonymous poster's stats don't lie. You are a Wedlbetonierer (to use Angel6's word) of the highest order. You can keep spouting about your mostly lucky run against me as much as you like. As I said, I'm not trying to say you aren't a good player, or even that you aren't the best (you may be).

You make a lot of the ratings and are the first to attack people who have ratings that are suspicious or artificially high; what the anonymous poster proves is that your metagame has something in common with Wernerus's and Bum-Bum's. There's a spectrum of legitimacy:

Bum-Bum,
Achim2004,
Zugbegleiterin,
.
. // cheating line is somewhere in here
.
Wernerus,
thekid,
.
. // honourable line is somewhere in here
.
(most other top players)
pilke

If you want people's respect as well as the top rank, you'll need to move up on that spectrum and stop being such an arrogant jerk.

[Mis à jour le: Sat, 04 June 2005 20:55]

    
thekid
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Re:The easiest way to the top Sat, 04 June 2005 21:05
The only times I deny a top player a game is when I am leaving, usually to put one of my kids to bed or am done feeding them. Your post is calling me a cheater you loser. Don't you think DOW checked my account up and down. Others including SKM have as well, I'm sure you're included in that group. So cmon Rek try and catch me, oh that's right you can't cause your a whiny loser.
    
pilke
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Re:The easiest way to the top Sat, 04 June 2005 22:20
rek{} wrote on Sat, 04 June 2005 21:53

There's a spectrum of legitimacy:

Bum-Bum,
Achim2004,
Zugbegleiterin,
.
. // cheating line is somewhere in here
.
Wernerus,
thekid,
.
. // honourable line is somewhere in here
.
(most other top players)
pilke


Now I don't understand at all? How could thekid be there in same group with wernerus? Thekid plays very honorably. And he playes well. Since I have kept a record (04/29/2005) our games are: pilke 6-1-7 thekid. And with my current skills and thekid's versatility, it might be soon even more wins in thekid's side.

He plays a lot open games which means mostly easy to beat opponents. But it is nothing that the rest of us haven't done. I collected my way to 1799 that way too. Angel6, I think it too, that it is easier to get points with low score people. [some top100 player's have worse scores than their skills, because they haven't yet played their way up to the top (ammount of games) or they play 3-5 player games too, which have bigger luck factor and need different kind of skills, or they have just learnt the good way to play and are rising and there are other reasons too]

And if thekid would just be interested in being the first, he would not have answered just yesterday to my post where I asked his opinion how to play with certain tickets. He told me thoroughly which tickets and which route he would choose. Thank you for your kind help thekid!

[Mis à jour le: Sat, 04 June 2005 22:24]

    
thekid
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Re:The easiest way to the top Sat, 04 June 2005 22:26
I have thought more about your post rek.

How dare you associate my name with known cheaters and another guy who pumped up one account and then beat it 90% of the time.

I have no other accounts and have never practiced as a guest or anything. Everything is reflected in my rating. Good days, bad days, good routes, bad routes, tired days. There is nothing I have ever done to influence my rating except by going out and beating anyone who comes my way.

You have lost all credibility here. I will no longer respond to you. If we meet in the tournament I will forfeit.

You are not worth my time.

    
*player97287
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Re:The easiest way to the top Sun, 05 June 2005 01:58
rek{} wrote:


.
. // honourable line is somewhere in here
.


WTF?

Either you cheat, or you don't. If you play by the rules, your rank is valid and honorable, it doesn't depend of who you play to get there. If you only play weak opponents, you won't climb very fast and you will fall hard when you fail. If you still manage to get a high ranking that way, you deserve it.

Saying a rank is more or less honorable based on a playing pattern is like saying blocking is not honorable. Just as much as blocking is perfectly acceptable because it falls within the rules of the game, there are rules for the ELO ranking and as long as you play by the rules there is no problem.

This topic is just another nasty abuse of public histories: not only are you looking for cheating patterns, you are actually judging and qualifying non-cheating patterns. Some nerves.
    
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Re:The easiest way to the top Sun, 05 June 2005 03:54
redPEPPER wrote on Sat, 04 June 2005 19:58

Either you cheat, or you don't. If you play by the rules, your rank is valid and honorable, it doesn't depend of who you play to get there. If you only play weak opponents, you won't climb very fast and you will fall hard when you fail. If you still manage to get a high ranking that way, you deserve it.

Saying a rank is more or less honorable based on a playing pattern is like saying blocking is not honorable. Just as much as blocking is perfectly acceptable because it falls within the rules of the game, there are rules for the ELO ranking and as long as you play by the rules there is no problem.

This topic is just another nasty abuse of public histories: not only are you looking for cheating patterns, you are actually judging and qualifying non-cheating patterns. Some nerves.




I actually completely agree with your first two paragraphs, redPEPPER. Well stated.

Now as to this feud, I think both parties would agree that it long ago transcended the bounds of good-natured ribbing and turned into nastiness, and it would have done so whether or not there were public histories. That ship has sailed and you got left behind. Rolling Eyes





    
*player44342
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Re:The easiest way to the top Sun, 05 June 2005 09:13
thekid spewed on Sat, 04 June 2005 13:26

I have thought more about your post rek.

.
.
.

I will no longer respond to you. If we meet in the tournament I will forfeit.



With obnoxious tag lines and self-glorification you put a target on yourself. You invite the scrutiny that the anonymous poster gave you and I think he/she made a very valid point. You have the right to be as big of an egotistic dick as you like, but if you are going to do so you'd better be ready for people to take you down. And he/she did. Your rating is every bit as bloated as Wernerus's is.

I never called you a cheat, I'm just saying you have a good metagame... you know what to do to improve your rank and that is to continue to play low ranked players. (To SKM and redPEPPER: this has nothing at all in common with the blocking debate).

If you don't want to play me that's fine. How convenient for you to get to close the book with a lucky winning streak. I bet it is a weight off your mind not to have to worry about backing all the crap you've been spouting off.

    
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Re:The easiest way to the top Sun, 05 June 2005 13:23
thekid belched on Sat, 04 June 2005 03:45

If it's so easy to do then come on, catch me.


I'm not sure if I have the patience to keep playing easy games against patsies but I just climbed 20 pts pretty easily doing it Razz. I noticed you played some decent competition and dropped Shocked -- maybe you should go back to the easy games Rolling Eyes?
    
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Re:The easiest way to the top Sun, 05 June 2005 14:06
Hello everyone:

Just a friendly reminder to everyone that we would appreciate that you all keep a friendly (or at least courteous) tone when discussing in forums. If you want to have a "franck" Twisted Evil discussion with someone, use the Private Messages system.

Remember: this is just a game. There is nothing at stake, no money or trip to win, nothing but fun and a piece of futile glory.

So keep cool, and have fun. We value the experience of all players and the good spirit that has been the rule so far. So do not spoil it.

I will lock this thread to put an end to it.

Thanks for your attention and your understanding,

Yann
    
   
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