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thekid
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The #1 Rank Sun, 12 June 2005 13:26
If I were so concerned about my rank why would I disclose my ticket selection and detailed route strategies to pilke? She asked me in a PM and I gave her a detailed analysis. The obvious and only reason is I like and respect her, enjoy playing with her and don't care about my rank. You can ask her if I have ever denied her a game and hidden, answer I haven't. I am sure you, dear guest will come up with some great story as to this why this is so and I eagerly await you response.

Eric please note that there is no vindictive tone here.

I also made an error in my calculations in the earlier post. I only included the 4590 active people. This doesn't include guests or the people that become inactive. That actually makes the rate at which I play the top people even higher.

If my record against the Top 20 were .500 and I only played those games, I would be ranked somewhere in the middle of the Top 20. But my record is 11 games over .500, so hence my top rank, not the beefing of it as you suggest against the lowly ranked people. It shows that the ELO system works perfectly and your refusal to believe it is laughable.

I now invite the rest of the top people to show the records against the top people. I think it will show I duck no one as they won't have played many games against a bunch of them either.



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Re:The #1 Rank Sun, 12 June 2005 17:49
I think thekid is better player than me and I think he deserves his #1 place with his good playing skills.

The reason why I play a lot with good ranked people is not because I would think that top ranked people should do so. I do it because I enjoy playing with them.

thekid wrote on Sun, 12 June 2005 14:26

I now invite the rest of the top people to show the records against the top people.

I kept statictics during time 04/29/2005 - 05/20/2005. I updated the statictics today. So here are my statictics during time 04/29/2005 - 06/12/2005:

pilke
statistics after 04/29/2005. My score was then about the same as now (score now 1792).
I had played 964 games before that.
I have played 179 games after that.

2-player games:

Against TOP-players: (158 games) (their rank 06/12/2005)

6-1-7 #1 thekid (+ 1 game I won because DumbBot put 6 of kids trains to wrong place)
2-5 #4 Womble
9-5 #7 rek
1-0 Zugbegleiterin
3-2 #9 Ulrich99/Razamanaz
8-0 #13 Leachris
4-1-0 #14 Minnesota_Fats/Fond-of-a-short-blonde/Br'er Rabbit
2-2 #16 airbus
2-0 #17 JessicaB/Jessie14
36-11 #18 Anu_
2-1 #23 Griselda
3-0 #24 Optimus
2-0 Natural1der
4-2 #30 SKMorefield
4-1-1 #47 Plcrams
1-0 #51 gwen
6-4 #52 thaddäus
1-0 #65 Sagittarius/bulldoc
2-1 #66 yaron
3-1 #83 ramtrak
2-0 #99 Wuonex
1-0 #100 Spieler68463
2-0 #114 Peter de Zeeuw
3-0 #118 Jacqueline/Jac_
1-0 #144 Donisl
0-1 #147 changedgirl
1-0 #192 tex23bm

Against other players: (20 games)
11-1 players with rank better than 2500
6-1-1 players with rank between 2500-4200

4-player games: (1 game)
I lost: pilke (54) - womble (115) - Rek18{blöcker} (115) - GuidoHunter (108)

------------------------------------------------------------ --
tiuku

I have played 40 games since the beginning of accout 05/05/2005

12-1-5 Anu_ (Her rank was then about 200)
0-1-0 Wuonex
3-0 Yaron

Rest of the games have been mostly open games with not so good score people:
16-0 twoplayer games
2-0 fourplayer games

------------------------------------------------------------ --

Many of the players (like Jac_ and Leachris) have developed a lot since they have played last time with me and I am sure they would win me much more when I would play with them now.

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Re:The #1 Rank Sun, 12 June 2005 17:58
So the top 2 players have a combined 21 - 12 record against the #7. Wonder where he's getting his points from, cause it's surely not from above Laughing.

Lets see the only person pilke has played more than me is Anu. So who am I hiding from?

Pilke sorry I haven't sent the pictures yet, the kids have been sick which has made for a rough week.
      
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Re:The #1 Rank Sun, 12 June 2005 19:07
pilke écrit le Sun, 12 June 2005 17:49



8-0 #13 Leachris



Please pilke, don't act like thekid : I was not ranked #13 when we played !!

You both have problems in maths

You make stats lie when you count it that way !!

And if you want to create the " rudekid's fanclub" , please not on the forum !


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Re:The #1 Rank Sun, 12 June 2005 19:16
léachris wrote on Sun, 12 June 2005 20:07

pilke écrit le Sun, 12 June 2005 17:49



8-0 #13 Leachris



Please pilke, don't act like thekid : I was not ranked #13 when we played !!

You both have problems in maths

You make stats lie when you count it that way !!

And if you want to create the " rudekid's fanclub" , please not on the forum !





This is why I wrote "(their rank 06/12/2005)"

"Many of the players (like Jac_ and Leachris) have developed a lot since they have played last time with me and I am sure they would win me much more when I would play with them now. "

the players weren't in order in my earlier statistics, so I just put one order to them with current ranking.

And I am not making any fanclub here. Some people have been saying here at the forum that I might be better player than thekid and I don't agree. Cant' I even say my own opinion when people are talking about me?

Nothing wrong with my math skills. I major in math.

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Re:The #1 Rank Sun, 12 June 2005 21:00
How many threads serving yourself do there have to be?

I've never disputed that you are a great player. My only problems with you are:

A) you are a self-aggrandizing egomaniac who insults other people.
B) you aren't as good as you think you are, and probably not as good as your rating (note: I'd never have even been bothered to think about B if A wasn't true)

I think the fact that you jumped on the chance to create an excuse not to play me says a lot too.

After that there isn't much more to say that hasn't already been said ad nauseum.

Anyway, that's enough for me. I agree with Eric that all of this is damaging to the community. You don't deserve the attention you build for yourself.

      
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Re:The #1 Rank Sun, 12 June 2005 22:27
Notice forum fans that guest 112840 was hailed as this great light that shed truth on how I rose the ranks, by 2 others here. Guest took a small sample and applied a theory to suit his or her fancy.

Since then, post by post I have chipped away at their incorrect theory, culminating in my posting my record against the top 20 here.

Now when offered the chance to do the same, these 2 have resorted to name calling, and cursing in prior topics to have those topics shut down. They don't speak to the true facts.

I wouldn't want to post my record here either if it started with a 12 - 21 and 1 -10 against the top people either. Maybe the inquisition of how they rose the ranks against the lowly people should begin.

The cockroaches have been exposed by the shining beacon of truth that is thekid.
      
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Re:The #1 Rank Sun, 12 June 2005 23:16
thekid écrit le Sun, 12 June 2005 22:27

the shining beacon of truth that is thekid.


Stop with these hilarious gags, rudekid is not a good comic !

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

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Re:The #1 Rank Mon, 13 June 2005 03:41

thekid, funny you keep bringing up my record against you when you refuse to play me any more. We both know you had a remarkable streak of luck and you are more than happy to close the book with the record you have against me.

It takes a lot of gall to keep bringing up that record when you are afraid to play me again.

      
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Re:The #1 Rank Mon, 13 June 2005 10:43
You guys are still at it? I surely hope none of you is too serious about this.

- The validity of a ranking obtained without cheating in the ELO system is a moot point. This horse died long ago.

- There's no question that this whole thing is about egos and not about ELO rankings. You *both* have inflatuated egos. It might be an act for one or both of you but DoW's admins made it pretty clear that it's still inappropriate on these forum.

- It takes two to tango. Any of you can stop anytime. And by "can" I mean "has the opportunity to", I don't mean "is able to" because it doesn't seem that you are.
      
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Re:The #1 Rank Mon, 13 June 2005 14:03
2, ah redpepper let us recap, shall we:

One of us has called the other not as good as his rating.

One of us said the other climbed the ranks on the backs of the lowly ranked people.

One of us called the other a cheater by lumping his name with known cheaters, and not honorable.

One of us called the other out for a series to take the other's ego down a peg.

One of us has called the other lucky on multiple occasions after games.

The other accepted the challenge to his manhood and crushed one of us in that series. The other decided that enough was enough and posted the results in his own witty fashion to the forum fans.

The other meanwhile defended his rating by posting his record against top people here, while one of us has hidden from his miserable record and resorted to name calling.

Your message dear redpepper should be directed to one of us.

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Re:The #1 Rank Mon, 13 June 2005 14:56
thekid:

2, ah redpepper let us recap, shall we:

One of us [...]

That's called trolling. You don't have to bite.

"the other" doesn't need to defend his ranking. You may want to explain the ELO system to someone who challenges it but there's no good reason to drag it so dirty so long.

Quote:

one of us has resorted to name calling.

I've seen mud slinging on both sides but anyway: name calling is a good hint that any sensible discussion that could've taken place is compromised. Subsequent points are just fueling the fire.

Heck, that enumeration of the beefs you have is fueling the fire. It's not like rek is going to agree with all that. You're begging for more argument.

Quote:

Your message dear redpepper should be directed to one of us.

When two kids argue up to a nasty fight, do you only punish the one that started it (by, say, sticking his tongue out at the other)? This got way out of proportion and you're both responsible for that.

      
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Re:The #1 Rank Mon, 13 June 2005 16:28
thekid wrote on Sun, 12 June 2005 11:58

So the top 2 players have a combined 21 - 12 record against the #7. Wonder where he's getting his points from, cause it's surely not from above Laughing.

Lets see the only person pilke has played more than me is Anu. So who am I hiding from?

Pilke sorry I haven't sent the pictures yet, the kids have been sick which has made for a rough week.




We all know he's getting his points from me... I'm like 2-9-1 against him. In fact he and bassie (who both just finished a great series) are almost personally responsible for my drop out of the top 20. Embarassed

So now that that's settled... Wink

I like both you guys and have fun playing you when I can, but this thing has gone way too far. I have to agree with Eric, ElSoy, RedPEPPER and Br'er Rabbit here.

thekid's braggadocio made Rek angry, Rek's criticism of his record made thekid angry. I can understand why both parties would be offended.

However, while I do understand being upset at braggadocio, I don't understand the criticism of the records. It is blatantly clear that thekid plays MORE than his statistical share of top players. And even if he never ever played a top player, as long as he is not cheating what difference would it make? Like Br'er Rabbit said, it is TOUGH to beat low-ranked players ALL the time. The luck element (however small) in the game makes this so. I have heard it repeated time and time again that the ELO system is fair, and I agree.


Best,
SKM



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Re:The #1 Rank Mon, 13 June 2005 17:08
redPEPPER wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 01:43

You guys are still at it? I surely hope none of you is too serious about this.

- The validity of a ranking obtained without cheating in the ELO system is a moot point. This horse died long ago.

- There's no question that this whole thing is about egos and not about ELO rankings. You *both* have inflatuated egos. It might be an act for one or both of you but DoW's admins made it pretty clear that it's still inappropriate on these forum.

- It takes two to tango. Any of you can stop anytime. And by "can" I mean "has the opportunity to", I don't mean "is able to" because it doesn't seem that you are.




redPEPPER... have you thought about the irony of you jumping in and name-calling to resolve our name-calling? I really resent you lumping me in with thekid and saying I have an "inflatuated" (love the word! Smile) ego. I'm in this because he created a thread specifically to ridicule me. If you think that leaves him and me in the same light... well, whatever.

I know I "can" stop any time. So far I just haven't really wanted to (which is different from being unable to). It is clearly winding down though, since there isn't really anything more to say. I'm sure we'll see two or three new threads started by thechild, but he'll tire of it too eventually.

      
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Re:The #1 Rank Mon, 13 June 2005 17:30
One can never accuse thekid of not being evenhanded.

I went and did the legwork on Rek's Top 20 and it isn't bad, so do I sit on it, no, I am the beacon of truth.

thekid 7 - 12
pilke 6 - 10
wernerus 0 - 1
womble 7 - 1
osamu 0 - 1
Raz/Jessica B 4 - 3
BR6/8III 2 - 0
Anu 6 - 5
AlexM 0 - 1
Airbus 7 - 3 - 1
Angel9 1 - 0
leachris 3 - 0
Fond/Brer 6 - 2
El Soyokaze 3 - 4

Total 52 - 43 - 1

My total 41 - 29 - 1, I added wrong on my earlier post.

Rek's win% 54.7%

My win% 58.6%

As for your quote that I am the hardest to get a game against, I find it funny that I am the one you have played the most, by a large margin. The win percentage shows a difference and that difference is reflected in the rankings.

I come here to have fun, everyone wants a shot at me, some talk trash and curse me, I give it right back. In real life I am a dad of 4 great boys who will learn how to compete from the master. I am a regular, nice guy which some people here have coaxed me out of. Rek if you were offended by my children's book post of you, good that's what was intended after you called me lucky, not as good as my rank and that I hide from the best players. Still, I am man enough to apologize for it.

So I lay it out to you, apologize for belittling my rank, calling me lucky and admit you were wrong about my hiding, and all will be forgiven on my end.

The question is are you man enough to admit it?







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Re:The #1 Rank Mon, 13 June 2005 19:23
thekid wrote on Mon, 13 June 2005 08:30

I am a regular, nice guy which some people here have coaxed me out of. Rek if you were offended by my children's book post of you, good that's what was intended after you called me lucky, not as good as my rank and that I hide from the best players. Still, I am man enough to apologize for it.

So I lay it out to you, apologize for belittling my rank, calling me lucky and admit you were wrong about my hiding, and all will be forgiven on my end.

The question is are you man enough to admit it?



Ok, not to set things back when you are being nice about it, but I do need to correct a few mistakes about what you claim I've said. I don't believe I ever questioned your rank or accused you of hiding from top players before you created the insulting thread, so you can't use those things to justify doing it.

On the other hand, I definitely did say you'd been lucky, which I stand behind. It was a statement of fact, not an insult. (Note: saying "you're fat" to a 290lb man is both a fact and an insult, but this is different from that, saying you were lucky in those games had no negative reflection on you and wasn't even meant to imply that you weren't also good -- just that I'm better than 0-7 vs you!).

I think you can go back through the history of all of the forum posts I've made to you or about you and you'll find that before you went out of your way to offend me I sometimes made playful jabs at you and more often acknowledged how good you are.

When Achim and Bum-Bum were at the top of the board I was the first to say you were the real #1. Even through all this crap I've never said you aren't a great player. So I really don't know what you want.

You say I called you a cheater, but I didn't. In fact I explicitly said you aren't. The facts about the distribution of your play are just that, facts. The ELO rating is what it is, but I credit play against top players more than against people who take Houston to Duluth by "going up the spine".

This all started when you way overreacted to my saying you'd been lucky. I am sorry about how things went. It would have been so much better if you'd said "yeah, I guess I was a bit lucky, but 7 in a row has to mean something!"... and I'd said "yeah, you are good, but let's play a few more."

I'm not looking for forgiveness (or an apology) for anything. If you want to move on from all of this that's great with me. I'd love to have another shot at you, even if you do have horseshoes up your as*. Wink

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Re:The #1 Rank Mon, 13 June 2005 19:36
Thekid, Rek & al.,

These discussions about the relative merits of so and so are reaching a level that is annoying. It is making it difficult for us to focus on providing regular visitors with technical support and an environment where people can simply enjoy the game, rather than the rants that surround it.

As such I am moving this thread into the Off-Topic, and ask that you take all future discussions on similar threads to that same section of the forums.

thank you,
Eric

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Re:The #1 Rank Mon, 13 June 2005 19:43
Ok I gave the guy a chance and he takes a backhanded shot at me. I just showed you how much I play the top people, which is slightly less than you, with a higher win % for me, and you make it seem like all I play is people who go north-south from Duluth-Houston.

You also failed to mention that you have played me more than anyone else in the Top 20.

Yes you did call me a cheat when you lumped me with Wernerus who played an account he pumped up and then beat 90% of the time. Look at him since he started playing real people his rating is plummeting. I have played real and good people from day one.

I won't even call what you wrote the worst apology I have ever seen, because it wasn't an apology. I apologized, you took another shot.



      
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Re:The #1 Rank Mon, 13 June 2005 20:23
Sorry you took it that way. I wrote it feeling we were going to get past this and with a good natured bit of humour. I genuinely expected you'd laugh and we'd move on.

I re-read my post and I guess I can kind of see how you might have taken it negatively -- it is always a risk with this medium -- but please believe me when I say it wasn't the intent. Maybe you can read it again knowing that and see it in a different light.

(BTW, I've never seen Wernerus as a cheat either).


Eric,
I'd like to ask you to please let us conclude this on this thread. I think the tone is getting gentler and if we don't resolve it it'll just flood into other existing or new threads. Why anyone would be bothered to trouble DoW to complain about it is beyond me (how hard is it NOT to read a thread or to put us on your ignore list?) and I am sorry that it has been a distraction to you or anyone else at DoW. (I'm willing to bet we are good for business all things considered Very Happy ).

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Re:The #1 Rank Mon, 13 June 2005 20:54
I don't know about everybody else, but if thekid is passing out strategical information, I'd sure like to have access to it. Here's one for you...you're playing a well ranked player, you get a choice of LA-NY, Vancouver-Montreal, and Boston-Miami??? I sure could have used your help then. Maybe you need to start a T2R proverbs thread...he who lays first lays last.
      
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Re:The #1 Rank Mon, 13 June 2005 20:58
Cmon Eric,

Fly us all out somewhere to get us all together. Who wouldn't pay big bucks to see thekid battle rek, head to head baby. You could sit me in a dunking booth and have the people pay to throw plastic trains at me.

To rek,

Fine, maybe it's the canadian writing style, still don't see it that way, but I'll take your word for it.
      
    
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