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Elric - Sancerre
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Hi all !
Well, last year, we registered as a veteran team, with aging players, wanting at least a bit more fun before retirement home... and now, we have a title to defend !!! 
So, we are there again of course... and happy to see all these registered teams (nb : and we hard hope for a competitive Dutch team to eliminate all the strongest opponents  ... really, come on, Sven and Pat and the others, we need you !).
The team of Red TGV
Team des Grands Vignerons
the great vineyards team
(317541) Deveric - Vosne Romanee
(406806) Sysyphus - Pommard
(246283) Davidb9 - Mercurey
(85687) toutoune - Morgon
(100728) Elric - Sancerre ©
Cu all in the Nations Cup 2014 !
Elric 
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Qorlas is moving to Italy right now so I register his Team.
Hi all,
It's time to introduce the:
Italy Team Advanced
411066 **** ITA Qorlas (Cap)
487529 **** ITA dandee
1036797 *** ITA LOCA
427025 **** ITA spugna
187160 **** ITA barbarnaud
225481 **** ITA Fitz-carraldo
Have a nice NC 2014 !!!
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FLOP Hecki
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| ommie schrieb am Sun, 31 August 2014 19:46 |
| Hecki wrote on Sun, 31 August 2014 04:33 |
I'm trying to create one more german team, but there are still 1-2 players missing. Maybe we have to create a transnational team in that case.
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I think this is fabulous that another german team could form. Maybe some people from the other 8+ member german teams could go play for them??? Or maybe it's just much more fun to sit and cheer for your teammates instead of actually playing??? I don't get it. I really don't. We created a 4th US team this year because we had too many people that wanted to play. Would I have liked to play with people on the other team? Yes. Does it make more sense to form additional teams instead of putting 10 people on 1 team? Yes. Maybe us Americans are just more competitive and want more playing time... Or maybe it's just easier for us Americans to play in the limited time that is given to us.... 
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Wow. You tried to find any sense in german decisions. Hahahahaha! 
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| Hecki wrote on Sun, 31 August 2014 22:30 |
| ommie schrieb am Sun, 31 August 2014 19:46 |
| Hecki wrote on Sun, 31 August 2014 04:33 |
I'm trying to create one more german team, but there are still 1-2 players missing. Maybe we have to create a transnational team in that case.
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I think this is fabulous that another german team could form. Maybe some people from the other 8+ member german teams could go play for them??? Or maybe it's just much more fun to sit and cheer for your teammates instead of actually playing??? I don't get it. I really don't. We created a 4th US team this year because we had too many people that wanted to play. Would I have liked to play with people on the other team? Yes. Does it make more sense to form additional teams instead of putting 10 people on 1 team? Yes. Maybe us Americans are just more competitive and want more playing time... Or maybe it's just easier for us Americans to play in the limited time that is given to us....
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Wow. You tried to find any sense in german decisions. Hahahahaha!
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I think it is against the spirit and the words of the rules that 3 or 4 players from any nation form a transnational team, unless all captains explicitly state that their teams are full and essentially no-one wants to play with Hecki and Co.
Frankly, I have to agree with my teammate ommie that this is BS. This issue was raised last year as well and it would seem that there hasn't been any effort to have at least a constructive discussion among players and captains.
I will accept 6 German teams where all captains and players have a normal discussion on how to form 6 teams (maybe 7 even ?) or I will accept no German teams at all. Or I would also accept a written statement by all German team captains that they really don't want to play with Hecki.
Just try to organize something for Germany, not just your own team you've played with for 5+ years. Time to get out of your comfort zone, conservatives !
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FLOP Hecki
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Hi folks,
it's a difficult Situation, i know. So far we are three and a half players for this new team. If we find one more victim everything seems to be fine. Just give me a little bit more time, i'm full of new hope now. 
Greetings
Hecki
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Schaffnerlos
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| Truckerteller schrieb am Mon, 01 September 2014 09:59 |
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I will accept 6 German teams where all captains and players have a normal discussion on how to form 6 teams (maybe 7 even ?) or I will accept no German teams at all. Or I would also accept a written statement by all German team captains that they really don't want to play with Hecki.
Just try to organize something for Germany, not just your own team you've played with for 5+ years. Time to get out of your comfort zone, conservatives !
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I completely agree with you (and ommie) that 6 german teams with 6 players would be more interesting than 4 teams with 9.
But I'm not happy with this kind of generalization, because there are at least 2 german teams with less teammembers than e.g. tyrana's US-team.
Maybe a rule like "a team exists of at least 4, but not more than 6 (7?) players" could help in the future.
Btw ... I'm very otimistic that Hecki will be successfull in building another german team (where are the OLEs?) and I am looking forward to playing against his new team.
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Truckerteller
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Sure, the two teams with 6 players are "less at fault" than the ones with 9, but my point would be: If the Americans can organize themselves and the French can manage to discuss the team formations extensively, surely 6 teamcaptains from German teams can send eachother some PMs and check where things stand and how to handle things this year.
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Flop Kasi
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Straight as always Truck. But all the years it was ok, how we managed the teams. Now it's the first time, it's a little bit harder to build the teams. But now not everything is wrong. I'm optimistic, Hecki will register his team.
First problem: Whom to say, u are not in the team this year? I'm happy about every player that wants to play again. I try to convince them that NC is a great competition with much fun. "HEY, NC-TIME! WANNA JOIN? BUT THIS YEAR NOT IN MY TEAM AGAIN!" Perhaps u are tougher in solving that problem, not my style in a fun tournament.
Second problem: Are u really sure, that the players would play with every other teammate? I think we would lose mainly the players, that don't play regularly. I personnaly would have problems to play with every Cap, I'd been part of a team, where the organisation was a little bit "difficult". Not funny, not again.
Third problem: Erps stopped playing and left the community, so I became Cap, cause nobody else wanted to do that. In the first year, we had a cheater, that was no fun to be responsible. After next year there was another case with a cheater in another team, the organizers just only wanted to accept players that are known by the Caps. I'm happy to not hve th cheating problem again. But I'm not sure, if I would do this job again with players, I don't know, but am responsible for.
Fourth problem: Changing teams every year means u don't recognize ur opps, u don't have a defending champion. The identification with NC would drop. OMG Schwen? UEG deep blue? Sorry I like revanches.
U can say the German Nationalmannschaft in football will try to defend it's title in Russia with a complete different team. In every Sport there change players. But we are a little bit more familiar here. I want to celebrate with people I know since years. I like joking in skype-confis. Feel free to change the rules, but splitting teams under compulsion is not the best solution, I bet we'd lose players.
Btw, schaffnerlos asked, where the OLEs are. Thats the best example. They want to play together or they don't play. In my eyes it's a teamevent.
I ask every player I play over the year, that has a bit talent for that game, from which nation she/he comes. And I tell them about nations-cup. I think this is the right way to rise the amount of players, who take part.
Better let's try to convince 2 or 3 more German players to join this great tournament than splitting well organized teams.
It's all just my opinion.
Carsten
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Several things :
1. The spirit of the rule
In 2008, some American players were allowed to form a TNT on an American basis with Neven Subotic as a captain...
We can not allow Germans, Americans nor French to be part of a TNT. If you are rejected by 3, 4... 6 teams, that means that you are likely a nuisance for the community and that you should not play NC.
However, we can not say that Hecki is a nuisance. NC does not need a TNT when a national team can be formed.
2. German teams
I agree with Carsten on one point :
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Better let's try to convince 2 or 3 more German players to join this great tournament than splitting well organized teams.
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Yes, this would be better indeed. But it'd be nice to see every German captain discuss their needs and organize their search zusammen for new players before NC starts. This is not "something new" . It has been the same modus with a 5-player lineup or a 4-player lineup.
If every German captain could make sure that Hecki has a team and that Dom has a 6th player if he needs one (Schachus?), that would be great.
Americans got out of their comfort zone by splitting a well-organized team, AMD, and by creating a 4th one. 4 French teams were ready early in July (!) to give Maximour time to form a 5th team, and maybe create a 6th. (We fell short unfortunately).
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ok, at this point maybe I should start saying something.
As you can see from my post in this thread, 5 days ago(shortly afer returning here after half a year of break) I decided, I would like to play NC, but I want to be "half a player"(not playing all the time).
After that, I was immediately(same evening) getting two independent tips where to search for a team, one saying I should ask Hecki, the other one recommending AGT. I decided to try both(in retrospect, perhaps a mistake?), and from both sides I got positive answers.
Since then I have tried to work out which solution is best for me and everybody else.
I definitely do not want to let Hecki down, but after all, in my wish to be "half a player", I would prefer to be in a team, that actually has enough players to exist without me in some rounds, so that I dont have to play all the time.
This is why, after Hecki told me, he would be able to form a TNT in the worst case(which seems to be forbidden by the rules as it turns out now), I was basically deciding to play with AGT. But now it turns out, this seems to be forbidden by the rules, which perhaps changes things again...
Neither AGT nor Hecki have tried to push me in any way, so I doubt "letting me go" is what happened at any point. Actually until Hecki wrote about 3 1/2 players this morning I had the understanding, that his team would most likely not exist, so I am not 100% sure I am the half player...
I am sorry if anyone feels offended by the way this has gone and I just hope a solution is going to be found, that everyone is ok with.
Edit: Actually the phrase "letting me go" has already disappeared, in wich case this post doesnt have much sense anymore...
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| TuS Tenniskasi wrote on Mon, 01 September 2014 15:55 |
First problem: Whom to say, u are not in the team this year? I'm happy about every player that wants to play again. I try to convince them that NC is a great competition with much fun. "HEY, NC-TIME! WANNA JOIN? BUT THIS YEAR NOT IN MY TEAM AGAIN!" Perhaps u are tougher in solving that problem, not my style in a fun tournament.
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I think Captains can promote a discussion in the German forum to form one or more extra teams. If the conclusion still is that people really prefer to be in a 9 player team, so be it, but I don't think any discussion was being held in the first place. In some cases players are joining existing teams when that team already has plenty of players. This just seems odd to me. I appreciate the German team history is a bit different than the US and France, but now it just seems every team for itself. Are there so many under the surface feuds in German TTR that you can't even have a discussion about this ?
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| OmG Schaffnerlos schrieb am Mon, 01 September 2014 12:19 |
(where are the OLEs?)
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As someone said last year... retired
Have fun all!
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Hey folks,
don't make this discussion such a big thing. It's not the problem of Schachus (he is not counted in the 3 1/2 players) and i / we don't want to destroy other german teams.
I will search one or two more days and if it doesn't work we quit the show. That's okay in any case. There are still enough other tournaments to have fun with.
Greetings
Hecki
P.S.: I missed last years NC too. And can you imagine it: I'm still alive.
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Overall, I think we can all agree that keeping the NC spirit is the important thing here. If that means people would rather include themselves mostly as a cheerleader, so be it. Tyry has lots of pom poms to share... 
I'm beginning to think the germans just want big teams so they can destroy the lobby during their matches! DESTROY! CHEER! IN ALL CAPS! DON'T LET ANYONE ELSE GET A WORD IN!
Some of us (obviously) don't understand that mindset. We would rather form more teams so everyone can play a lot. To us, sitting out NC instead of playing on a new team is super lame. Do any of those 'retired' OLE players want to play with Hecki since the rest of them want to disappear? Come on...YOU CAN DO IT! (We can be proven wrong  )
By saying 'help Hecki', I think it has more the meaning to send pms to new people. Funnel people his way if you hear there is interest in playing NC...rather than adding more people to your own team at this point. Tyrana, Onyx, Menno and myself sent multiple pms to people to see who could play. Tyry needs more people on her team for serious scheduling issues. 5 is the max for me... Next year, discuss what your needs are (as a team) before forming gigantic teams.
So, let's find Hecki some additional players. Monsters are so fun to beat... 
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| Sysyphus - Pommard schrieb am Mon, 01 September 2014 17:33 |
Several things :
1. The spirit of the rule
In 2008, some American players were allowed to form a TNT on an American basis with Neven Subotic as a captain...
We can not allow Germans, Americans nor French to be part of a TNT. If you are rejected by 3, 4... 6 teams, that means that you are likely a nuisance for the community and that you should not play NC.
However, we can not say that Hecki is a nuisance. NC does not need a TNT when a national team can be formed.
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I don't agree here.
From my point of view it is absolutely OK to allow overhangs of (big) nations to go TNT.
In the past we allowed people who WERE a nuisance to go TNT because their country rejected them.
Now we are thinking about disallowing those who are no nuisance? Sorry, that's weird.
What if 2-3 new Austrian players came along. Am I morally forced to take them on my team (building an 8 player team where people are unhappy to sit out so often) because otherwise they wouldn't be allowed to play at all?
OK, that's a different case, because Austria has only one team ..
But where's the boundary? Italy has 2 teams - what to do with the next 3 Italians that may come?
1) Yes, the spirit is to have national teams.
2) Yes, everyone should try to build/join a national team instead of saying "why so much effort, I can always go TNT".
3) Yes, everyone should try to help his country to build many national teams (= I understand the appeal to the captains of big teams to maybe initiate a switch of one of their players to another team in need where they could also play more matches).
If
1) was understood,
2) was done and
3) just isn't happening (or cannot happen),
there's nothing wrong with overhangs going TNT in my eyes.
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| AAA_dea1 wrote on Tue, 02 September 2014 11:38 |
I don't agree here.
From my point of view it is absolutely OK to allow overhangs of (big) nations to go TNT.
What if 2-3 new Austrian players came along. Am I morally forced to take them on my team (building an 8 player team where people are unhappy to sit out so often) because otherwise they wouldn't be allowed to play at all?
OK, that's a different case, because Austria has only one team ..
But where's the boundary? Italy has 2 teams - what to do with the next 3 Italians that may come?
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That's in the rules, right?
Captain or team declares itself full, other 3 players may form a TNT. I actually suggested this to Italy and Tyrana's US team who felt they weren't complete, but managed to get enough players later on.
But for all the teams to say they're complete, one should first have a discussion, no ? When there were two Austria teams, did you all discuss how to handle things ? I discussed this with Tyrana and with Qorlas, we managed to find eachother.
If Germany can manage close to 40 players to play NC and lots of players and captains have been around for many years and many NC's, is it too much to ask to have some discussions via PM and via the forum ?
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| Truckerteller schrieb am Tue, 02 September 2014 11:54 |
When there were two Austria teams, did you all discuss how to handle things ?
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I must admit, I had the egotist approach here.
I set up my team at my usual timeline (= before 50% of the players have even realized there'll be an NC ) and declared it complete. Period.
I never had the intention to be an all-over-Austria-organizer (and I also don't think people would have wanted me to be that).
As I was always in favour of small teams
-) because I believe that most players are not happy when they have to sit out - at least for myself that's clearly the case
-) because I hate having to take the decision who is/isn't allowed to play in the knockout / in the final (if we ever get there again)
I never had the situation to have "spare" players the other team would have needed.
Had that been the case, I guess I would have tried to find someone who is OK to switch teams.
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FLOP Hecki
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| AAA_dea1 wrote on Tue, 02 September 2014 11:38 |
I don't agree here.
From my point of view it is absolutely OK to allow overhangs of (big) nations to go TNT.
In the past we allowed people who WERE a nuisance to go TNT because their country rejected them.
Now we are thinking about disallowing those who are no nuisance? Sorry, that's weird.
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Well, that TNT from 2008 should have never existed in the first place... I don't know how Neven Subotic was endorsed as a captain...
And it was the result of two nations not taking time to organize themselves at that time.
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| Hecki schrieb am Tue, 02 September 2014 14:59 |
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and our Special Forces Pet Shop
mietzie ID: 188178
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Well done Hecki!!! 
... but never heard of "Pet Shop Girls"
... and do they also only "Go West"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn-ofIAbv-w
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| OmG Schaffnerlos schrieb am Tue, 02 September 2014 16:29 |
... and do they also only "Go West"?
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Yes. You can take the eastern tix for yourself.
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now, after we have our sixth german team, some changes to TIC-Team.
This will be the competing team:
Team TIC (The Incredible Championshunters) for Germany
TIC wasdenn # 169223
TIC U 32 # 51042
TIC U 31 # 138056
TIC hogika # 36650
TIC Beka # 34017 (C)
TIC 335d Touring # 218794
TIC benny # 1322911
Good luck to everyone
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OK let's sum up :
Austria (1) : AAA
France (5) : Champagne, Red, Taka, Vdl, White
Germany (6) : AGT, LMT, OmG, TIC, TuS, UEG
Italy (2) : ITA, ITY
Russia (2) : RUS, RUS2
Spain (1) : CAT
Switzerland (1) : SMP
TNT (2) : SYN, Ned/Fin/Jap
Ukraine (1) : HFP
USA (4) : ATN, MAD, XXX, YYY
That's 25 participants !
We will be working on a 25-team format. Any idea welcome by pm.
I don't see a 26th team forming by tomorrow with undeclared players.
Maximour was working on a new Team ranking page. I guess he needs to enter the last player's name. He will also need the name of both American teams.
Thanks
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my number is 697173
how could I confirm this?
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LMAA-DN
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>>RANKING PAGE<< updated!
Still the statistic mess (TOP 6 average) like last years...
>>TIKI PAGE<< soon online!
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onyx puffin LOL
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Last time (I hope)
White TGV team Updated !
TA TA TATAAAMMM !
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looks great!!
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Ok,
Ishamael's TNT will be SOJA, and Tyrana's AT (American Tornadoes).
One last team needs a name
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