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RUS Sivorro
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Re:TTR World Championship
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Sun, 28 September 2014 15:37
 
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It's pretty nice to understand that members of online community don't cheating anywhere. Such as, NC, World Champ and all another tournaments.
We need video from the final games.
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SuperPello
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Re:TTR World Championship
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Sun, 28 September 2014 16:13
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Keep in mind that i wrote IF uppercase.
He played 1-1-3-6 , Drake six greens.
4 blue Drake, 6 greys (red?), 3 orange drake, five blacks. 2 greens Drake, 3 blue.
So 25-15 played till Then.
Four purple Drake, 2 orange. 3 greys at LA drake , 2 greys. Then 3 blacks Erwin ti porto.
Six blacks Drake, 4blue+2 Erwin.
38-28
Drake i think drawed, 5 greens and the end.
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Sysyphus
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Re:TTR World Championship
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Sun, 28 September 2014 17:17
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I asked Mr Phal from TricTrac if they had a copy of their yesterday's broadcast. He said no, his server would have died if they saved what they were broadcasting.
Days of wonder only asked to make a short movie, so they kept only small parts of the day.
No Drake, we can not ignore game 1. Playing bad does not justify what happened.
Erwin : 13 tracks laid to launch last turn + 20 turns to pick cards = 33 turns.
Drake : 8 tracks laid + 20 turns to pick cards = 28 turns. Even if he overdrew once or twice, there are still 3 rounds gone somewhere.
Game 2 :
Erwin : 10 tracks + 20 turns to build his deck = 30 rounds
Drake : 9 tracks + 19 turns to build his deck = 28 rounds (and he had the start)
The referee attitude:
Again we would need the video, but I don't recall that they were checking the cards played very closely.
Dea sent a pm in July. She offers that the community could handle the judging part. We had no answers.
They ignored pretty much all our comments about format, judging, tiebreakers, and organization...
What was the role of the judge ?
Dealing, not dealing ? I did not see any consistency.
Keep track of the turns played ?
Count the points? For that kind of event, there should have been a dealer and a judge.
And sleeves in a museum? Really ?
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Sysyphus
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Re:TTR World Championship
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Sun, 28 September 2014 17:28
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| ITY SuperPello wrote on Sun, 28 September 2014 16:13 |
Keep in mind that i wrote IF uppercase.
He played 1-1-3-6 , Drake six greens.
4 blue Drake, 6 greys (red?), 3 orange drake, five blacks. 2 greens Drake, 3 blue.
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I think your count is wrong. You forgot Drake's 5 white.
Drake opened 4 blue, then 3 to Chi. Did he play 6 green at all?
I don't think so.
He played 6 black + 3 LA + 5 white + 4 pink + 4 blue + 3 orange to chi + 2 to NY and 2 to Paso = 29 trains/51 points. If LA NY DuL Paso = 82 points.
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Knockando
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Re:TTR World Championship
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Sun, 28 September 2014 17:29
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Drake, do you know how many cards you had in your hand at the end of each game ?
I agree with Sysy : Dow didn't want a qualification tournament online because they were afraid of cheating with the value of the price.
What did they do in final (and in the whole championship yesterday) to avoid cheating or mistakes ?
Who can answer to the question about number of turns ?
Did Drake goes to 50 or 52 card in game 1 and 46 or 48 in game 2 ?
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Qorlas
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Re:TTR World Championship
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Sun, 28 September 2014 17:30
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Moreover, reamining cards in the hands of the two players at the end of the games were not checked. Weird.. really weird
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Sysyphus
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Re:TTR World Championship
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Sun, 28 September 2014 17:30
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He had 2 cards left in game 2 : a purple and a loco.
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Knockando
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Re:TTR World Championship
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Sun, 28 September 2014 17:32
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| Sysyphus - Pommard écrit le Sun, 28 September 2014 17:28 |
| ITY SuperPello wrote on Sun, 28 September 2014 16:13 |
Keep in mind that i wrote IF uppercase.
He played 1-1-3-6 , Drake six greens.
4 blue Drake, 6 greys (red?), 3 orange drake, five blacks. 2 greens Drake, 3 blue.
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I think your count is wrong. You forgot Drake's 5 white.
Drake opened 4 blue, then 3 to Chi. Did he play 6 green at all?
I don't think so.
He played 6 black + 3 LA + 5 white + 4 pink + 4 blue + 3 orange to chi + 2 to NY and 2 to Paso = 29 trains/51 points. If LA NY DuL Paso = 82 points.
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I didn't see 6 green
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Knockando
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Qorlas
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Re:TTR World Championship
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Sun, 28 September 2014 17:41
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tix of drake in game 2: ssm-okla mon-no
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AGT-Schachus
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Re:TTR World Championship
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Sun, 28 September 2014 17:50
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and tracks in game 2: 5black,6grey,6white,4grey,6yellow,4green,4red,2grey to lr,3green to new orleans.
Didn't Angel or someone take a photo of the final position? Has he also covered the remaining hand cards of drake? Interesting also: Erwin posted photos on twitter(https://twitter.com/ErwinPauelsen) of all the final positions in quarter and semi-final , but not in the final.
As for these other games one cant see all the routes of the opponent in every case, but he never had played as many more tracks than his opp as in game 1 of the final.
But probably we could also ask cat about her impression, agains her he laid 12 against 9 tracks in the first game with 44 trains played according to the photo(dont know, when last round began though).
In the second game against cat one possibly cant see all tracks, Erwin laid at least 12 yet again(one can see 12), using 36 trains for these 12(2x1,4x2,2x3,2x4,2x6). Those are 62 track ponits, he scored a bit more then 100 points in total, around 107 from what I can tell, that seems to fit quite well with 34 ticket points and 10 for longest(would make it 106, which could also be). So maybe he just didnt draw to 44 trains here, and cat finished, which would make this pretty normal.
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Knockando
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Re:TTR World Championship
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Sun, 28 September 2014 17:54
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It seems hard to tell anything about game one without the video if drake didn't count how many cards he had in his hand at the end.
But for the second, it's obvious (like truckerteller wrote well) there's a big problem !
I hope Dow will have a BIG LOOK about that !
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SuperPello
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Re:TTR World Championship
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Sun, 28 September 2014 18:23
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| Knock - Chiroubles wrote on Sun, 28 September 2014 17:32 |
| Sysyphus - Pommard écrit le Sun, 28 September 2014 17:28 |
| ITY SuperPello wrote on Sun, 28 September 2014 16:13 |
Keep in mind that i wrote IF uppercase.
He played 1-1-3-6 , Drake six greens.
4 blue Drake, 6 greys (red?), 3 orange drake, five blacks. 2 greens Drake, 3 blue.
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I think your count is wrong. You forgot Drake's 5 white.
Drake opened 4 blue, then 3 to Chi. Did he play 6 green at all?
I don't think so.
He played 6 black + 3 LA + 5 white + 4 pink + 4 blue + 3 orange to chi + 2 to NY and 2 to Paso = 29 trains/51 points. If LA NY DuL Paso = 82 points.
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I didn't see 6 green
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Long day, hard to remember all. perhaps no greens. In game one or two Drake closed with 2 vertical from Duluth. Pieces in mind , sorry.
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SuperPello
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Re:TTR World Championship
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Sun, 28 September 2014 18:31
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What was the role of the judge?
In Some tables managed the stack. If you wanted to draw cards you had to ask to judge and he gave the cards.
But the judge was different in all the Seven tables. This time I clearly remember the judge of the final simply Taking in hands the colours played and mixing all.
At the end the judge filled a paper with all the points.
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Knockando
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Re:TTR World Championship
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Sun, 28 September 2014 18:42
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Drake started 2nd game, opponent made 10 turns (6 black, 6 green, 3 to Phoe, 5 white, 4 pink, 5 red, 4 blue, 6 orange, 3 to SSM, 2 to New Orleans to finish)
Drake made 9 turns (5 black, 6 grey, 6 white, 4 grey, 6 yellow, 4 green, 4 red, 2 to Ltr, 3 geen to NO) and had only 2 cards in hand.
Il manque 3 tours pour Drake dans cette partie (6 cartes disparues)
En assumant que Drake ait pris 2 fois une loco (ce qui est déjà surprenant), il manque encore 2 tours (Drake aurait du avoir le temps de repiocher une fois des cartes puis de jouer un tour supplémentaire)
En assumant que Drake ait pris 4 fois une loco, il aurait encore eu le temps de jouer le 5 noir avant le 2 de son adversaire à hou qui termine la partie. Et donc un 2 à boston ensuite.
Drake avait un nombre paire de cartes puisqu'il fait une route de 40 et qu'il lui reste 2 cartes en main à la fin. S'il avait pioché 5 locos ouvertes il aurait eu un nombre de cartes impair. S'il avait pioché 6 locos open il en lui serait pas resté de cartes après son 5 noir terminal.
DANS TOUS LES CAS, LA PRISE DE LOCOS OPEN N'EXPLIQUE PAS LE DEROULEMENT DE LA PARTIE.
If someone can confirm that I didn't make mistakes ?
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DrakeStorm
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Re:TTR World Championship
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Sun, 28 September 2014 19:42
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| Sysyphus - Pommard wrote on Sun, 28 September 2014 08:17 |
I asked Mr Phal from TricTrac if they had a copy of their yesterday's broadcast. He said no, his server would have died if they saved what they were broadcasting.
Days of wonder only asked to make a short movie, so they kept only small parts of the day.
No Drake, we can not ignore game 1. Playing bad does not justify what happened.
Erwin : 13 tracks laid to launch last turn + 20 turns to pick cards = 33 turns.
Drake : 8 tracks laid + 20 turns to pick cards = 28 turns. Even if he overdrew once or twice, there are still 3 rounds gone somewhere.
Game 2 :
Erwin : 10 tracks + 20 turns to build his deck = 30 rounds
Drake : 9 tracks + 19 turns to build his deck = 28 rounds (and he had the start)
The referee attitude:
Again we would need the video, but I don't recall that they were checking the cards played very closely.
Dea sent a pm in July. She offers that the community could handle the judging part. We had no answers.
They ignored pretty much all our comments about format, judging, tiebreakers, and organization...
What was the role of the judge ?
Dealing, not dealing ? I did not see any consistency.
Keep track of the turns played ?
Count the points? For that kind of event, there should have been a dealer and a judge.
And sleeves in a museum? Really ?
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Your description of game 1 and 2 seems correct on number of turns played. In game 1 I thought I got the 6 green out, but after looking back, I did not. Makes me even more upset.. How many turns it appears I lost each game.
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2Cutter
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Re:TTR World Championship
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Sun, 28 September 2014 22:01
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I think we can make it much easier.
Goscha and me watched the game online, thx for that great service.
And we simply counted the points.
Erwin
15 - 6 black
15 - 6 green
4 - 3 grey
10 - 5 white
7 - 4 pink
10 - 5 red
7 - 4 blue
15 - 6 orange
4 - 3 grey
2 - 2 grey
24 - den-elp,win-hou,hel-la
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Drake
10 - 5 black
15 - 6 grey
15 - 6 white
7 - 4 grey
15 - 6 yellow
7 - 4 green
7 - 4 red
2 - 2 grey
4 - 3 green
10 - longest
22 - mon-n.o, ssm-okl.
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didn't see that drake layed his 2 left cards, but it's not important.
Drake won that game.
2Cutter
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AGT-Schachus
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2Cutter
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GSV3
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Re:TTR World Championship
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Mon, 29 September 2014 12:27
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Is it still possible to watch the videos?
Link?
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