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Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Wed, 01 October 2014 00:06
As someone from the majority i.e. those that were not present nor followed it live, so all information i have i get from this thread i have to say i find it extremely disturbing.

At the very least there seems to be a strong suspicion of cheating (either deliberate or semi-deliberate which i guess is basically the same) and where DoW has usually been willing to penalize those found out to be cheating i would have by now expected some reaction from them.

Are they satisfied everything went as it should have? Than please state so.
If not, than please also state so and inform us what action is being considered.

The absolute worst thing in my opinion that can ever happen to a game playing community is precisely this: cheating. If one accepts that premise there can't be any issue more important than this to give a clear and unequivocal point of view on from the people who in the end get to make the decisions.

All that is happening right now is that people might get turned away from the game and that can't be in anyone's interest!

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Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Wed, 01 October 2014 09:24
AAA_Lucullupus wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 21:04

We also could ask, if there was something mysterious during the Dutch qualification tournament ... Rolling Eyes


I thought the same thing
      
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Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Wed, 01 October 2014 11:41
Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

Franck wrote on Wed, 11 June 2014 17:02

First of all, thank you (and the whole T2R community) for your dedication to our games.

Unfortunately, the current online system doesn't have the necessary safeguards to guarantee that a tournament with such a large prize on the line could be conducted without risk of dispute which would put the credibility of the World Championship at risk.

Because of that we are not able to authorize or include an online qualifier for the Ticket to Ride World Championship.



      
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Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Wed, 01 October 2014 12:13
Email just received from Poland player

Hi Marco,
this is Wojciech Radomski. We met last Saturday at the Ticket to Ride World Championship in Paris. We played in 2nd and 3rd round. I found aut that according to the Swiss system we shouldn't have met again in 3rd round.
Do you know where I can find the regulations concerning system of completing the tables in rounds?

See below:
Ranking after Round 2:
Gerhard Hattingh 6
Antoine Gosselin 6
Wojciech Radomski 5
Silvia Märki 5
Sara Pardo 5
Marco Pellini 4
Peter Howitt 4
Piotr Hrachun 4
Kenneth Heilfron 4
Michel Hautecoeur 4
Ola Torstein Endresen 4
Jesper Jørgensen 4

Table 1
Gerhard Hattingh 6
Antoine Gosselin 6
Silvia Märki 5
Sara Pardo 5

Table 2
Wojciech Radomski 5
Marco Pellini 4
Peter Howitt 4
Piotr Hrachun 4

Table 3
Kenneth Heilfron 4
Michel Hautecoeur 4
Ola Torstein Endresen 4
Jesper Jørgensen 4

As I have played with Gerhard in round 2, I couldn't meet him in round 3 and this is why I wos at table 2. But you should have played at table 3 (not with me). Kenneth should have played with me at table 2.
What in your opinon: was everything OK with the Championship?

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Wojciech Radomski
      
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Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Wed, 01 October 2014 16:22
Dear T2R players,

We are aware of, and currently investigating, some issues that were brought to our attention following last week-end's Ticket to Ride World Championship's final. We take these issues seriously, and will update you as soon as we have more information to share.

Sincerely,

Adrien Martinot
General Manager, Days of Wonder
      
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Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Wed, 01 October 2014 16:40
Thanks a lot for this Info, Adrien!

@Pello: I don't know the tournament rules obviously, I know swiss system from chess, where it includes, that you can't play an opponent twice, but that's 2 player, maybe it's different with multis(If it's not forbidden to play the same opponent twice, according to wikipedia it would probably be called "danish system")!?
If it was indeed forbidden to play the same opponent twice, you should have been on table 3 but not switching with drake(he played vigulisam already in the second round, if I understand Angel correctly), but with someone else (don't know whom, depends on who played each other already).
      
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Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Wed, 01 October 2014 17:12
Adrien wrote on Wed, 01 October 2014 16:22

Dear T2R players,

We are aware of, and currently investigating, some issues that were brought to our attention following last week-end's Ticket to Ride World Championship's final. We take these issues seriously, and will update you as soon as we have more information to share.

Sincerely,

Adrien Martinot
General Manager, Days of Wonder


thx
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Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Wed, 01 October 2014 17:18
Swiss = matchups according to current placement but you can't play same opponent twice

Danish = matchups according to current placement, regardless

In Bridge tournaments it's common to play the first rounds Swiss but the last round(s) Danish.
Reason: At least in the last round the best 2 teams should fight for the win directly not e.g. #1 plays #7 and #2 plays #6 (because they happen to have played all better ranked teams already in an earlier round) and the one who beats his opponent higher wins the tournament.

If the tournament consists of only multis (like our local qualifier did) I would suggest to play at least the last round Danish (but of course I suggest NOT to play Multi as a final decider in the first place vor various reasons).
If the Multis serve as a qualifier (like here) that doesn't make much sense in my opinion.
But strict Swiss isn't so easy with 4 players to combine and is also debateable.
What I would do:
First round groupings random (or preset if you have ranking lists beforehand).
According to this first round result players get a number (1-4)
For all further rounds (with 28 players that would work 7 times) the groups are determined as follows:
#1 stays at the same table
#2 moves up 1 table (from 7 to 1)
#3 moves down 1 table (from 1 to 7)
#4 moves up 2 tables (6 to 1, 7 to 2)
If you have 5 players, #5 moves down 2 tables.
All new opponents for each round and good balance guaranteed.

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Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Wed, 01 October 2014 21:56
Hi all,

I am not going to add almost anything about the issue that is under investigation, but i would like to write about my impressions from the weekend too Smile

I think the event was really well organised with lots of Dow people working. Judges on every table from the beginning. Taxi drivers picking us up. DoW staff enjoying time with us, ... Really nice hotel, nice dinner, ... I fully agree with Angel on what he said about it. Thank you DoW for that.

I'm really happy to have met some online and non-online players.

I had already spent some time with Ishamael, JenAck, Lucullupus and Cat in the past and it was really nice meeting them again. Ishamael came with two italian friends that were very friendly and started to play ticket to ride there so, who knows, maybe they will be part of our community some day! Smile

On saturday, I met and chat with Val, Angel, SuperPello, Toon and his brother Louis-le-Poete during the tournament. I also had the chance to meet my Fantastic Four mate Toutoune for the first time. Although i could just say hello to him as we were starting round 3 of the multis when i saw him. After the championship i went to Alautre's home and met leGoupil there, who remembered our last year NC match much more clearly that i did! Smile It was really nice to meet all of them.

I did not interact with DrakeStorm until our quarter-final match. And there, we were just opponents so not a real chance to chat, just to comment our games as they ended. After his second final game i went downstairs just to try to understand what had happened because the result was not clear from the upper floor for me but Angel was already there discussing it with the judges and Dow staff. I saw Drake like shocked and probably very tired. A bit out i would say but completely understandable after seeing all the pressure he was having in all the final games and how they ended. In any case, after some minutes of discussion the referees and DoW people just told that everything had been recorded and it was time to move on as the schedule was tight.

On friday we arrived at the hotel at 19:45, so we missed the welcome drinks at Dow offices but we run to the dinner place just to see if we could catch up. When we arrived there we briefly talked with Adrien and other person from DoW. There was not enough space for us in the group table and we were offered a table upstairs. We had a nice dinner but had no opportunity to interact with any of the players. Oh well...

My games on Saturday:

1) USA: The random pairings were made and i was placed in table 3 with Toon from France, Val from Finland and a fourth player that i don't remember the nationality nor the name, i'm so sorry. I guess eastern europe, blue shirt with blue/green stripes. The tournament started really tough. I had two good online players in the table and was dealt fourth to play. My tickets were: SSM-Okl and Dul-Hou. The non-online player started early to play on the east. At some point, Val took the 6 black, 6 white, 5 orange and 6 red and after that started to build a route on the east too. Toon was disturbing in the up-center (with the 6 grey and 6 oragne) and built a nice route through the west. I was left the center (6 green, 5 yellow, 4 red and as i took the 6 purple i completed my route with the 4 black, the one to kansas, 4 blue, 4 white and 3 to ssm). For the colours i had and possible route i realised that not me but Toon was getting longest. I counted internally and third place was a realistic result not anything better. Val played 4 purple to start the last turn. I ended with 5 purple (taken open plus some locos left) just to grab 10 points. At the end, Val forgot to connect Montreal to his route (he had Bo-Mi and Mon-Atl) so Toon first, me second, the blue shirt guy third and Val fourth by 1 point.

2) EU: I was placed in table 3 again with the Belgium, Australian and Japanese guys. Noone was dealt with Palermo-Moscow. I was third in starting this time. I had Lisboa-Danzic plus Zurich-Frankfurt. I played the 6-tunnel and the Australian guy the 8-tunnel. There was a hard fight among them in the Stockholm-Copenhagen area. The belgium and japanese had to build stations there. I tried to block longest to the belgium guy soon in the game and at the end i had to block the australian guy to avoid him going first with the locos and cards i was reserving for the 6 track still available. That movement costed him a station, not getting longest and 7 points for not building the 4-track from Brest to Pamplona. Without blocking him he would have been first and me second or even third. So after thinking carefully i blocked. At the end, i tied longest with the belgium guy. Who also decided to invest on his longest instead of in the 6-track. I got first, belgium second, australia third and japan fourth.

3) Asia: I was hoping to be placed in table 2 but I was placed in table 1 with the South-African, Toon (again) and Cat from Switzerland. If i was fourth i was out of the finals, first or second in and third it would depend. As the tie-breaker was victory points i would try not to miss any ticket. Tickets were dealt and i got
Krasnoyark-Singapore as the long one and three western tickets (Teheran-Kathmandu (11) ,Samarkand-Mecca(Cool and Samarkand-Agra(6) ). I discard the longest and kept the three others. Gehrard, Toon and Cat all kep the long one plus another one. Gehrard played almost alone in the long routes of the mid-east while Toon, Cat and I fighted for the mountain routes on the west. At the end, Cat got the bonus connecting one more city than me in the last turn with one card, I had a nice route and the three tickets done, Toon made his long ticket but missed the short one and Gehrard made his two tickets plus more track points that the rest and he won the game. Cat second, me third and Toon fourth. So Gehrard and Cat already in the finals and Toon and me tied with 6 points and waiting for the tiebreaker.

Time to go to dinner now. I will try to continue the story soon.... Smile
      
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Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Thu, 02 October 2014 00:44
With the help of Wojciech Radomski, I give you my analisys of Game2 - European Map..
Let me know if I'm wrong.

My bad camera photo cause bad light:
http://www.marcopellini.it/images/eumap.jpg

Rebuilt by Wojciech Radomski (accurate 100%)
http://www.marcopellini.it/images/game2.jpg


Red (SouthAfr): 12 turns for claim + 22 turns for getting 47-4 cards + 1 gallery failed = 35 turns of play

Green (Poland): 13 turns for claim + 1 station + 21 turns for getting 45-4 cards (one wasted for station) = 35 turns of play

Yellow (Italy): 12 turns for claim + 1 station + 1 more tix + 21 turns for getting 45-4 cards (one wasted for station) = 35 turns of play

Blue (Nederland): 13 turns for claim + 2 stations + 1 more tix (start 3 then +2) + 20 turns for getting 44-4 cards (three wasted) = 36 turns of play. A magician.


Marco
      
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Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Thu, 02 October 2014 01:08
Who started the game ?

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Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Thu, 02 October 2014 01:11
Hi Marco,

None of the tunnels required any extra card?

Sara
      
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Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Thu, 02 October 2014 01:18
Last round can be only of green or red. Check wagon remainings.
      
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Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Thu, 02 October 2014 01:22
CAT-suburu wrote on Thu, 02 October 2014 01:11

Hi Marco,

None of the tunnels required any extra card?

Sara


Nice question.
For me no, I did only one and no more cards.
I remember one gallery requested 2 more cards. I check with Poland guy and come back.
      
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Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Thu, 02 October 2014 01:29

Last turn 99% green . Checking.




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Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Thu, 02 October 2014 01:37
Do you know the turn order and which player started?
      
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Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Thu, 02 October 2014 02:25
It is hard, not to say impossible, to draw conclusions from a multi Euro board especially with incomplete information.
Best is to focus on the 2 US 2-players to not add confusion.
      
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Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Thu, 02 October 2014 03:19
I was the german participant in the world championship. I also want to thank Days of Wonder and Asmodee for organizing it. All the things surrounding the tournament(dinner, hotel, venue) were very good and I had a great time.

But the world championship itself was not organized so good. They wrote in the description that they want to find the best Ticket to Ride player in the world. I think they could have done much better at that. And I'm not talking about the controversy surrounding the dutch player right now.

First I should not have won the german championship. I'm not that good. But the format had a high luck factor as we only played three 4-player rounds with random seating. And it favoured offline players, because 2 of the 3 variants we played are not available online. We played 1910(mega), 1912(big cities with depots) and the new german map. If any of the participants of the german championship is reading this, I'd like to know how familiar you were with the variants we played.

That brings me to my next point: There were different maps/variants and player counts played at the regional, national and world tournaments. That probably resulted in the elimination of some very good 2p-us players who are not as familiar with the other maps.

My last point are the referees. It was good that there was a referee at every table, but as others said before they were not so good and had different standards. Some of them let us take the cards from the deck ourselves while others didn't let us touch the deck at all(which is probably the best way).
And at least some of the referees didn't even know all the rules.
In my first game the first time there were three open locos the referee shuffled the five open cards into the deck instead of discarding them. I didn't say anything, because I had not payed close attention and I thought that maybe the deck was empty. But the next time it happened I asked him what he was doing. Now the other players also noticed it and told him that he should have discarded the cards. He then called the main referee who told him the same and decided that we should go on playing, because we could not undo the mistake any more, because it was not clear which colours the open cards had.

I wanted to write something about Erwin, but I'm very tired right now, so I'll just write some short points:
- maybe we should ask him about that, he has an online account and told the swedish player his nickname
- I looked at the end result of the last game after I heard Angel talking about it and I agree that it seems that Erwin had more turns than Kenneth, but I would not accuse him of cheating unless all other possibilities(e.g. mistake by a referee, misremembering who started or the number of cards left at the end of game or if other player(s) took some open locos) are ruled out
- he seemed very calm, while Kenneth seemed very nervous => Erwin probably has more experience in face-to-face tournaments
- his clothes didn't seem out of place. They seemed to fit his personality. And he was not the only one wearing a suit that day


      
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Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Thu, 02 October 2014 04:26
First, thanks Adrien for the message. If you need any help, dea1, Truckerteller and I (among others) can provide expertise ...

Thanks boloni for your report, and for your honesty...
It corroborates my view of the TTR World championship in general and sums up all what we pointed out in the forum some months ago about the format. Even better to have a testimony from an "insider" not part of our community.

I don't think the point is to give online players an advantadge over offline players.
To crown a TTR world champion, you need to offer a format that reduces the luck factor as much as possible.

You have several variables :

  • The format : 2p implies way less luck/randomness than multis.
  • The number of games : the more games you play, the more you design a trend of skills.
    3 multis is not enough. Best of 3 in 2p is not enough. Online, we start getting serious with a best-of-7, best-of-9 is better. (best-of-11 even better)
  • The maps : a player should be able to assess how well he does in a game. If none of the players knows where they stand at the end of the game, that means the map is worth nothing.
    I don't know the Deutschland map (I think it was published only in Germany) so I won't give an opinion about it.
    Mega USA and Big Cities Europe in multis = just go fiending. You might as well roll the dice. You can not assess how well you do before checking the final scores (unless you're totally dead).
    To assess the balance and the tournament value of a map, the map should be tested by a variety of skilled players.

    And yes, consistency in the format from qualifiers through finals and consistency in the judging seem to be a must and obvious...

    Looking forward to seeing you in our online tournaments !

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    Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Thu, 02 October 2014 08:32
    @ Superpello

    Sorry, but you can't tell anything about a multi, and especially a europe multi, just by watching the map after the game.

    How many cards lost on tunnels (how can be sure) ? How many locos taken open ?

    And the map of the game you show is not good with what you said before in this thread : you wrote 2 times nederland ended first the game. And on the photos the Poland ended the game.

    Memory for that kind of game, especially if there is no reason at the beginning to try to remember every move, can't be so good as expected after that Smile
          
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    Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Thu, 02 October 2014 08:37
    CAT-suburu écrit le Wed, 01 October 2014 21:56


    In any case, after some minutes of discussion the referees and DoW people just told that everything had been recorded



    Probably they were really thinking that and there was a misunderstanding with TTTv who only sent streaming but didn't recorder.

          
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    Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Thu, 02 October 2014 09:59
    Knock - Chiroubles wrote on Thu, 02 October 2014 08:32

    @ Superpello

    Sorry, but you can't tell anything about a multi, and especially a europe multi, just by watching the map after the game.

    How many cards lost on tunnels (how can be sure) ? How many locos taken open ?

    And the map of the game you show is not good with what you said before in this thread : you wrote 2 times nederland ended first the game. And on the photos the Poland ended the game.

    Memory for that kind of game, especially if there is no reason at the beginning to try to remember every move, can't be so good as expected after that Smile


    1) Well, the purpose of this analisys is to help the work of DOW and checking if there are point of darkness. Starting from the finals 2p where Math seem to be wasted, we are trying to see if something is evident in the previous game. I agree with you that with a multi is not easy, but IMHO is an attempt to do. I do hope of your advices and contributions that I consider very wise, not of your criticals.

    2) Someone remember clearly one thing, someone other another thing. Piece by piece the puzzle becoming more accurate. With my post I ask to the community to help me. From Sara, Sylvain and Roald I've received advices and other things to analize. Really appreciated. And when we will have reached the perfection I do not have the expectation of having a document that will lead to anything, with no pictures I doubt that DOW will do nothing more. But I left the table with the feeling of being unlucky. It bothers me to have doubts that have only been naive. That's all.

    3) I'm here to bring my contributions to make DOW better organize the next event and not that DOW never organize it again. The event was fantastic and the effort to DOW amazing, my hope is that others in the coming years could experience my same wonderful experience.

    4) Returning to the analysis, the green has started and the green has ended. Confirmed this morning by Poland. Green has failed one time a gallery of 3 blacks. I (yellow) only did one gallery 6 oranges and I have not added cards. I drawed one loko by open draw. The reconstruction of my turns is quite simple. For Greens we should have all. For Reds and Blue there could be something more but not less turns played.

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    Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Thu, 02 October 2014 13:09
    Sysyphus - Pommard schrieb am Thu, 02 October 2014 02:25

    It is hard, not to say impossible, to draw conclusions from a multi Euro board especially with incomplete information.
    Best is to focus on the 2 US 2-players to not add confusion.

    Why is this?
    I say lets try to check EVERY game Erwin played.
    In one game it might be some fault of the referee, but if we can prove that Erwin got additional cards in more games, only then we have proven that he cheated! Twisted Evil
          
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    Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Thu, 02 October 2014 14:16
    ITY SuperPello écrit le Thu, 02 October 2014 09:59

    Knock - Chiroubles wrote on Thu, 02 October 2014 08:32

    @ Superpello

    Sorry, but you can't tell anything about a multi, and especially a europe multi, just by watching the map after the game.

    How many cards lost on tunnels (how can be sure) ? How many locos taken open ?

    And the map of the game you show is not good with what you said before in this thread : you wrote 2 times nederland ended first the game. And on the photos the Poland ended the game.

    Memory for that kind of game, especially if there is no reason at the beginning to try to remember every move, can't be so good as expected after that Smile


    1) Well, the purpose of this analisys is to help the work of DOW and checking if there are point of darkness. Starting from the finals 2p where Math seem to be wasted, we are trying to see if something is evident in the previous game. I agree with you that with a multi is not easy, but IMHO is an attempt to do. I do hope of your advices and contributions that I consider very wise, not of your criticals.

    2) Someone remember clearly one thing, someone other another thing. Piece by piece the puzzle becoming more accurate. With my post I ask to the community to help me. From Sara, Sylvain and Roald I've received advices and other things to analize. Really appreciated. And when we will have reached the perfection I do not have the expectation of having a document that will lead to anything, with no pictures I doubt that DOW will do nothing more. But I left the table with the feeling of being unlucky. It bothers me to have doubts that have only been naive. That's all.

    3) I'm here to bring my contributions to make DOW better organize the next event and not that DOW never organize it again. The event was fantastic and the effort to DOW amazing, my hope is that others in the coming years could experience my same wonderful experience.

    4) Returning to the analysis, the green has started and the green has ended. Confirmed this morning by Poland. Green has failed one time a gallery of 3 blacks. I (yellow) only did one gallery 6 oranges and I have not added cards. I drawed one loko by open draw. The reconstruction of my turns is quite simple. For Greens we should have all. For Reds and Blue there could be something more but not less turns played.


    Sorry Marco, nothing against you, just perhaps a hard translation from french to english to keep the idea that is in my head.
    I think it's hard to speak about proof just from the reminder of 2 or 3 people with so many possibilities as in a multi.

    If Michel the Belgian or Cat would talk about their games, with the pictures of the games at the end that we have on Erwin's twitter, it would be better I think.

          
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    Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Thu, 02 October 2014 15:45
    An idea for next time:

    Give the TDs a small application where they enter all cards they give to the players, their tickets and the routes claimed.
    Should be easy to do, just give the code from the online game this "human Interface".

    Display all that including the board on a Screen in a separate room for people on site to watch - (maybe add a good commentator for the perfect show).
    Display it online, so everyone can follow.

    What's the gain?
    - no cheating or cheating suspicions possible anymore
    - participants and spectators of the event can see everything clearly and in a more comfortable environment than on a gallery
    - participants and spectators are kept away from the players still in competition, can't influence them in any way, and can discuss their ideas
    - following online from everywhere is interesting and will attract many
          
    Qorlas
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    Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Thu, 02 October 2014 15:48
    I agree with Superpello points that the analysis should be done mainly to understand what can be improved.

    I (too) offer my help to DOW/Asmodee for possible future tournaments as Dea1, Truckerteller and Sysyphus already did.

    We already organize most of the online tournaments and we would be glad to help also in the LIVE ones.

          
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    Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Thu, 02 October 2014 15:54
    AAA_Angel6 wrote on Thu, 02 October 2014 13:09

    Sysyphus - Pommard schrieb am Thu, 02 October 2014 02:25

    It is hard, not to say impossible, to draw conclusions from a multi Euro board especially with incomplete information.
    Best is to focus on the 2 US 2-players to not add confusion.

    Why is this?
    I say lets try to check EVERY game Erwin played.
    In one game it might be some fault of the referee, but if we can prove that Erwin got additional cards in more games, only then we have proven that he cheated! Twisted Evil

    Don't get me wrong, I am with you. This is great to see the reconstruction of the game and to analyze it.

    But like Sylvain, I was not playing the tournament and from outside -unless there is a video of that particular game- we just can not be as affirmative as Pello is.

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    Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Thu, 02 October 2014 17:37
    Qorlas wrote on Thu, 02 October 2014 15:48

    I agree with Superpello points that the analysis should be done mainly to understand what can be improved.

    I (too) offer my help to DOW/Asmodee for possible future tournaments as Dea1, Truckerteller and Sysyphus already did.

    We already organize most of the online tournaments and we would be glad to help also in the LIVE ones.




    same for me.
    always that I am not a finalist. Very Happy Very Happy
    and I'm a perfect speaker.
    English permitting. Confused
          
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    Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Thu, 02 October 2014 18:08
    After the counting of turns from Poland player, and with that

    ITY SuperPello écrit le Mon, 29 September 2014 23:37


    Game 2 - Europe Map - Table with Poland, Nederland, South Africa.
    And future winner nederland? Would had win completing 5 tix (erzurum long) but needed 3 stations instead of 2 played. Declared to have placed 2 blacks+1 loko as last move and forgotted to place station. Other 3 were sure on 2 blacks only and head judge said that every player was responsible of their stations placed, so -10 and went in the last position.


    ITY SuperPello a écrit le Thu, 02 October 2014 17:19


    Judge made first counting and assigned the victory to Erwin with 5 tix completed. Fortunetely Poland guy was awake and noticed that the 2 stations placed couldn't work for 3 tix. In particular the station on Kiev or worked for Smolensk or for Wilno. Erwin watched the colour cards disgarded and saw a loko and 2 blacks on the top and said he played 3 cards for the 3rd station but he forgot to place. First at all the loko was of Poland player as last move, second thing we all remembered the 2 blacks played for the second station. The head of judges said that every player was responsible of wagons or stations putted or not putted. So -10 for Erwin and last place.

    Marco



    it seems Erwin is for this game too really suspect :

    1st case : he tried to lie saying what he said ;
    2d case : he really played 3 cards for his 3rd station, so it is 3 MORE TURNS (2 before to pick 3 cards to go to 47 and one to play them), so probably 4 more turns than opponents during the whole game
    So in this game there is a try of cheating by lying or a cheating with (again) more turns played than opponents.

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    Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Fri, 03 October 2014 00:24
    I am still in Paris, I will write a full report of the event when I get back to the states next week and have a real computer.

    To continue my luck/unluck, I just got back from a night time bike tour of Paris. Near the end of the tour we were single file and I was bringing up the rear and a vagrant ran up and tackled me with my bike and tried to steal my backpack. He didn't succeed, and then pretended he just "bumped" into me as we were sprawled on the ground. It was more like a rugby tackle, I somehhow didn't get a scratch though.

    What an adventure this trip is becoming! Still have 3 more days.
          
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    Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Fri, 03 October 2014 09:15
    ATN Drake wrote on Fri, 03 October 2014 00:24

    I am still in Paris, I will write a full report of the event when I get back to the states next week and have a real computer.

    To continue my luck/unluck, I just got back from a night time bike tour of Paris. Near the end of the tour we were single file and I was bringing up the rear and a vagrant ran up and tackled me with my bike and tried to steal my backpack. He didn't succeed, and then pretended he just "bumped" into me as we were sprawled on the ground. It was more like a rugby tackle, I somehhow didn't get a scratch though.

    What an adventure this trip is becoming! Still have 3 more days.


    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/47/Home_alone.jpg/220px-Home_alone.jpg


    maybe it was better to stay at home


    http://cdn.ilcinemaniaco.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/la-locandina-di-rambo-9870.jpg

    hold on

    Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
          
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    Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Fri, 03 October 2014 09:48
    This early morning a message from my phone operator warned me that the promotion is running out for Paris. Already a week has passed, it does not seem real. I want to print here some images I have in my mind:

    ** THE LADY OF DOW that ignores a separation took place in the year 1993: during the dinner hosted by DOW that lady started to talk to my seatmate:
    "Where are you from?"
    "I'm from Czech Tcheque"
    "Aahhh Cekoslovakkia! "
    " NOOOOO !!!! " Surprised Surprised Surprised

    ** THE AWESOME MAIA who missed all manholes from the hotel to the museum. She never walk on!

    ** VAL and his orange shirt. Not really enough for the cold in Paris at 9am. But he is Finnish, is used to it!

    ** THE TOON POM-POM GIRLS: Arrived with a big banner "TOON" just in time for the third game, that of disaster. Definitely did not bring luck but a lot of sympathy and beauty!

    ** The tripod camera MAXIMOUR: suddenly decided to drop like a guillotine and took my wife to a hand. Maxim thank you for trying to finish my panes but next time be more careful and take she better!

    ** The beautiful JASMINE: It is her fault if I remember little of the games played!

    ** The extraordinary presence of LUPUS and ALAIN: I am very happy to have met them in person!

    ** HUSBAND AND WIFE FROM SOUTH AFRICA: I think they have devoted 10 minutes to get to know each participant. I have much to learn from them!

    ** ANGEL and the glass of wine in hand: a river of words explained to me what was appreciating that sixth glass of white wine in hand. Truly a great deal!

    ** TOON AND GIRLFRIEND: truly a beautiful couple. They're really good together. My wife asked me why when we said goodbye I only kissed her. Oops ....

    ** VIKTOR the Swede: really very nice, overwhelming. We hope to see him soon in these forums.

    ** THE DRIVER OF THE PARIS CITY AIRPORT that brought us to the airport (3 hours early): when he heard that we were Italian, he put classical music on the radio. When I realized that he had done for us, I made him understand that it is not true that all Italians love classical music. Finally he put techno music: oh yeaaah !!!!

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    Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Fri, 03 October 2014 15:44
    Better by pm Smile

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    Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Fri, 03 October 2014 21:08
    Grazie Marco!!
    I take that as a compliment Laughing Cool
          
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    Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Mon, 06 October 2014 21:49
    Hello to everybody.

    I am the Belgian participant to the tournement.

    Its was an extremly nice experience. I met very sympathic players and people of the organisation comming from all over the world. I must thank DOW for the organisation. It was nearly perfect.
    I was already very happy to be qualified.

    Thanks to everybody.
          
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    Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Fri, 10 October 2014 19:43
    Adrien écrit le Wed, 01 October 2014 16:22

    Dear T2R players,

    We are aware of, and currently investigating, some issues that were brought to our attention following last week-end's Ticket to Ride World Championship's final. We take these issues seriously, and will update you as soon as we have more information to share.

    Sincerely,

    Adrien Martinot
    General Manager, Days of Wonder


    Something new ?
          
    MaximouR - Ginglet
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    Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Sun, 12 October 2014 07:52

    I was there and I want to thank Dow for the day which was very nice. Indeed, I got to meet players I knew only online.

    I could take pictures all day for everyone to see this event , its ambience and beautiful surroundings. I have no gift for investigations or clairvoyance . So I did not take more photos of a player more than others.

    I thank the players , spectators and DOW , because I have taken many pictures during the tournament and out tournament.
    Lighting conditions were harsh and I hope I have made the atmosphere .

    Initially, I made over 250 pictures. After an initial screening, I kept 160 for work. After a second choice, I'll probably publish a lot less.
    I took a lot of time, I'm sorry.
    I do not know if I took everyone either, because I am not too close tables to not disturb the players too. I turned around the game room, with angles that so I did not perhaps have taken everyone.

    I'll put online galleries, I hope, fairly quickly.

          
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    Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Sun, 12 October 2014 16:52
    OK !

    Finally, the galleries are ready


    http://monstockage.org/ttr/ttrwc2014/oott/album/

    http://monstockage.org/ttr/ttrwc2014/iott/album/

    Thanks all models...


    I have other pictures but weaker...

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    Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Mon, 13 October 2014 19:33
    Thanks for posting the pictures. I think with my second place winnings, I need to take a class on how to be photogenic!
          
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    Re:Impressions from Paris - Thx to DoW/Asmodee Tue, 14 October 2014 23:32
    Being a good photoshopper may help too. Very Happy
          
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