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Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Wed, 25 May 2016 05:22
The question becomes, which would you prefer to have in the near future?

Standard size scenario maps printed with terrain and unit placement.

Breakthrough size scenario maps printed with terrain and unit placement.

Overlord size scenario maps printed with terrain and unit placement.

Just wanting to get a feel on what the Memoir Community may be looking for in possible future expansions.

Thanks
Richard Borg




      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Wed, 25 May 2016 07:31
Hello Mr. Borg,

It's great to have some news from the M'44-front.
Thanks a lot.
I prefer the Breakthrough-size (but that's only personal).

Greetings,
Erik.
      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Wed, 25 May 2016 07:52
Hi Richard,

Very nice of you to ask. Smile

At the playdays/evenings of the Memoir'44 Brigade Nederland we almost never set up boards anymore. We have a lot of preprinted maps (normal size) of tournaments (French Open, Belgium Open Dutch open, others) and we regularly play the battle maps (overlord).

But Breakthroughs we always have to set up (except for the few Belgium Open maps). The input output is ook, it takes some time to set up, but you also play longer. But I am lazy at heart so my first preference would also be preprinted Breakthrough maps.

But a close second would still be the preprinted Overlord maps.
In comparison with the breakthrough maps it takes almost as long to set up, but they play a lot faster. Also we tend to play those at the end of our activities when we are not very motivated to set up, but are very motivated to play. Smile

      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Wed, 25 May 2016 09:19
Breakthrough size maps have my preference.

Possibly some you can combine per 2 into overthrough. (Like the D-Day landings).
There is no real need for making another big map like the D-Day landings with 6 extended breakthroughs, but 2 (or 3) regular size breakthroughs that can be combined into one battle would be great.

As was said before: with all the tournaments the clubs already have a stock of standard sized maps, and Memoir Online already offers a lot of standard size play. Breakthrough, Overlord and Breaklord are what people want to play more. Setup time is what steers people away from those sometimes, and that's also why the pre-printed overlords and D-Day landings are so popular in clubs.
If you give players more pre-printed breakthroughs, those will really become popular, both at clubs and for those who play at home with just 2 players.
The fact that breakthroughs that can be combined in overthroughs will appeal to both home players and clubs, will also make them the best choose economically for DoW/Asmodee.
      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Wed, 25 May 2016 11:56
I have a big assumption here, but if the battlemap series is making a comeback, I'd like to see an overlord scenario map on one side and a breakthrough on the other.
      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Wed, 25 May 2016 14:16
Oh, gawd....yes, please.
And while you are at it, how about a reprint of "Hedgerow Hell"? I am still missing that one.

For me the interest is ranked Overlord - Breakthrough - Standard.
      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Wed, 25 May 2016 15:30
I vote for more Breakthrough maps and/or for combinable ones ("Breaklord").

Single playing against myself these maps have a nice size for some hours of playing. But often there is not enough free time to do all the setting.

These are the two cents of a nebwie.

Whatever the decision may be, I will enjoy new Memoir 44 stuff!
      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Wed, 25 May 2016 18:23
Greetings,

I would prefer the Breakthrough sized preprinted maps. I find it easier to play one on one rather than getting a larger group together.

Thank you!

Best Regards,
Bob
      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Wed, 25 May 2016 19:11
Hi Richard,

My preference would be Overlord preprinted maps. My gaming group rarely plays Breakthrough scenarios. Overlords are more versitile and I find them much more enjoyable. You can play with as little as two and as many as eight players. The set up time is the minor problem.

My second choice would be double Breakthrough maps(Breaklord). Again, more versatility. You can play one map with two players or both with as many as eight. However, Breaklord takes much longer to play generally. Preprinted maps would at least cut down on the total time for the game.

Standard sized scenarios are much easier to set up and preprinted ones would be my least desirable.

Eric
      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Wed, 25 May 2016 22:33
To be honest, I have enough tiles and boards that I'd just like a book of scenarios released (or for more official scenarios to be added online) -- so that we get more scenarios for whatever the price will be. I actually enjoy setting them up. Smile

Geoff

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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Wed, 25 May 2016 23:06
Dear Mr. Borg,

Good to do a small survey among the people here. I prefer the larger maps for pre-printing. Overlord, breaklord and 2nd best breakthrough for me.

To be hounoust, whatever it is. I will buy it Cool
      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Thu, 26 May 2016 00:27
I like Overlord and Breakthrough in that order. I play the overlord maps at conventions, I have one coming up next month, and one coming up in November.

      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Thu, 26 May 2016 00:47
gheintze wrote on Wed, 25 May 2016 16:33

To be honest, I have enough tiles and boards that I'd just like a book of scenarios released (or for more official scenarios to be added online) -- so that we get more scenarios for whatever the price will be. I actually enjoy setting them up. Smile

Geoff

I am with Geoff. I would prefer some more scenarios in a Campaign Book style.

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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Thu, 26 May 2016 02:18
Hi Richard
No matter which way it goes I would buy the map. I would buy just about anything with M-44 on it. By the way, will there be any new minis with these printed maps as before?
      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Thu, 26 May 2016 03:14
I would prefer printed Breakthrough maps, followed by Overlord maps. The standard sized board is small enough that printed versions aren't really necessary. And since the idea has been introduced, put me down as an enthusiastic "yes" for Campaign Book 3!
      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Thu, 26 May 2016 09:34
A "Campaign Book 3"? I also would buy it, off course! Smile
      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Thu, 26 May 2016 12:04
Hi Richard,

My preferred format for the game is Breakthrough, but as it usually takes so long to set up a scenario, a pre-printed map would be a dream !! Something I would definitely invest in ..

As has been mentioned above.. the idea of creating an option to join two next to each other would be great, (although suggest you don't go any more than that! The D-Day Landing maps are exceptional but I really have no space to play more than two mapsat a time).


The idea mentioned above of printing a new Overlord map on one side, and a Breakthrough on the other is also worth considering ...

Regards

Jim


+ For Campaign Book 3 ... especially if you can include material for another Breakthrough Campaign !

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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Thu, 26 May 2016 19:10
Thanks for taking time to ask around in the community Richard

As your question is limited to printed maps I won't start talking about all the other Ideas I have in mind Smile

printed breakthrough scenarios would be great! especially if you use the latest expansion rules (using the reinforcements on a breakthrough map seems a good idea) It could be an option to make one side a more simple map for starting players and the other side a scenario for advanced players. If you would make another volume, you then could combine both to make a breaklord. This way a beginner and advanced player have a great scenario to play, DOW can sell more of these and most important we as players now that at least 2 volumes wil be made Cool
More use of the new rules and victory conditions is a must for me personally.

If there is decided that overlord will be made, I will be happy as well though Smile

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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Thu, 26 May 2016 19:12
Richard,

One more point that I would like to mention in recommending Overlord maps as my preference. There are only 27 official Overlords on the SFTF page. In my opinion that's not many. There are so many more opportunities for great Overlord maps, especially preprinted. I know at the WBC every year we play 4 or 5. I think Sam has a hard time keeping things fresh with new Overlords. We do replay some of them.

Anyway, looking forward future expansions.

Eric
      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Thu, 26 May 2016 21:01
I think "Overthrough" maps should be made (connecting two Breakthrough maps) because it would be the most versatile, 2,4,6,8 players can play as Breakthrough or Overlord. I would love to see some maps like Stalingrad redone in this new format. Also they should continue to be double sided to get 2 big games in one.

For campaign books, I would like more single Breakthrough campaigns.

BTW can we have an army pack with some Italians, Australians and Chinese???

And how about some more special deck cards similar to those in the Stalingrad pack or Winter wars???

Sorry, I'm probably pushing the envelope but there is a lot to add to this geeat game ☺

Thanks for surveying the community!!! ☺

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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Fri, 27 May 2016 01:10
Hi, Richard -- What a wonderful question! Thank you for asking.

Preprinted Overlord/Overthrough maps are useful, because they can save a lot of time and complication when a group gets together to play a big scenario. And as LooneyLlama pointed out, more Official Overlords would be a good thing.

(For the record, at WBC, I repeat Official Overlords because the familiar scenarios will tend to attract more players than unfamiliar scenarios.)

I very much like gheintze's suggestion of scenario booklets, too. They don't need to be organized into campaigns. If they come with new special rules and possibly something extra like a sheet of badges/markers/terrain, that's an extra reason to buy. The booklets may not need to be as many pages as the Campaign Books.

Personally, I generally see little need for pre-printed Standard or Overlord [EDIT: I meant "Breakthrough"] maps. The brilliant thing about the Commands & Colors system is its total flexibility, and this would seem to move it more in the direction of a limited series of maps that you could use any brand of miniatures on.

One possible exception to this would be to create one or more "standard" sets of tournament scenarios each year, which could be made available to tournament directors at an affordable price. (My inspiration here, curiously, is music conservatories, which apparently come out with a list of audition pieces every year for students who want to apply.) But I suspect that this would have a very limited market.

Sam

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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Sun, 29 May 2016 11:45
Overtrough the fall of Berlin with reprinted city combat cards will be nice
      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Sun, 29 May 2016 14:02
As some others stated above, I would like to see pre-printed Overlord maps.

Any new official Overlords would certainly be welcome.

Thank you Richard for asking,

John
      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Sun, 29 May 2016 21:37
I'd like a set of pre-printed regular maps, possibly organized in a new Campaign. I think the reduction in set up time is particularly interesting for the fastest game mode.
      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Sun, 29 May 2016 22:18
Shall I summerize. We like 2 new campaignbooks. One with pre printed breakthrough scenarios and the other with overlord scenarios. Laughing Laughing Laughing
      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Mon, 30 May 2016 00:25
Up 'till this post:

8 prefer Breakthrough
6 prefer overlord
1 prefers standard size.

I counted people's first pick only.

I still think sets of 2 breakthroughs that can be combined in one overthrough will keep the most people happy, as it is the best of both worlds.
      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Tue, 31 May 2016 00:19
Hi Richard,

Great you ask.

I like preprinted maps in special sizes, because they can't be replicated with my own regular boards. They five it a more special feeling. Like tigers or landings.

I like boards with lot of terrain too, because it save's time in setup. Like sword of Stalingrad.

I like campaigns, and famous battles, preferably both, like Barbarossa for example.

Maybe a map pack with some different sizes?

      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Tue, 31 May 2016 22:33
Overlord maps for me please Richard - perhaps Pacific theatre?

We regularly get 8 players together for Overlord and the team dynamics are wonderful to behold. Certainly any Overlord which includes the second Urban Combat or Winter Cards would be most welcome. How about a true Winter white Stalingrad map using both second decks?

Or perhaps a unique map as Market Garden is certainly the most popular of all the pre-printed maps.

Thanks for asking the community and fingers crossed for a Christmas release! Wink
      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Wed, 01 June 2016 05:22
Hi. My daughter and I have been playing Memoir ’44 for several years and we have followed this board closely even though this is my first post. We always look forward to any and all new expansions. If I could, I would like to offer my thoughts on the topic of pre-printed maps from the perspective of a couple of enthusiastic but casual players.

Usually it is just the two of us playing. We can’t make it to conventions or game nights. Occasionally we can find two more people who are interested in playing, but never eight for full fledged Overlord scenarios.

From our point of view the most useful maps would be in the Breakthrough format. We don’t play Overlord (for lack of enough people), and there are plenty of regular scenarios which are relatively easy to set up. Breakthrough scenarios are fun to play, but as has been mentioned, set up is time consuming. Preprinted maps would save a lot of time and allow us to play more.

As has been suggested earlier, another cost effective advantage to breakthrough maps would be in printing them in pairs that could be played individually or joined to play as double breakthrough with 4 people (which we can occasionally muster). This would give you 3 options for play for the price of two. If they were double sided maps which were both done this way that would give you 6 options. (And if Mr. Borg could also find a way to make the front of one map compatible with the back of the other, well…..but I digress into a flight of fancy).

Any more than two maps at a time would be difficult for us to manage space wise – with one possible exception.

If I could, I would like to offer a suggestion for one possible map set that would take into account more of the naval aspects of the War in addition to actual land battles: Three double sided Breakthrough maps. Each map would have a different Pacific island on one side and just ocean on the other. All three could be joined with two ocean sides and one island side in the middle in three different combinations. (A scaled down version could be just two maps – one side island coast line and the other just ocean). Either way with new rules for Battleships, Cruisers and especially Submarines, and possibly some expanded Air Rules (I believe Rongammer has posted some modified Air Rules, some of which could probably be adapted to Naval Air battles), there would be added a whole new dimension of play.

As much as I would love to see new minis for all this, I realize that would probably be cost prohibitive. But it should be possible to make punchboards for new ships and maybe some small round tokens for planes (one side indicating in the air and the other on the ground/deck).

One last thought on the subject: I’m sure that with some creativity, this concept could also be adapted to the Battle of the Atlantic, submarine warfare, Coast of Norway, etc.

I apologize if I have run on too long, but I am really excited at the prospect of a new Memoir ’44 expansion. Whatever it turns out to be, we will certainly buy it.

      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Wed, 01 June 2016 07:46
Definitely more Overlord format maps.

Famous battles would be my preference (Market Garden is easily my current favourite). Battles like Kursk, El Alamein, Caen etc would be great)

And a campaign book dedicated to Overlord format would be cool too.

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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Wed, 01 June 2016 18:05
I prefer a campaign book 3 and have no desire for preprinted maps. Laying terrain on a map takes very little time IMO, which is really the only savings from preprinted. More bang for the buck IMO.

Further, an expansion should support the widest audience, so two points. First, this is probably not the forum to ask the question. Second, the widest audience has enough material to support standard in 1-vs-1 play.

My personal preference is Breakthrough, but I think the best course of action is to support a wide audience (particularly after the last expansion which really only supports hardcore players like myself).

Therefore a campaign book or standard preprinted scenarios.
      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Thu, 02 June 2016 04:24
um.... All of the above?

pre printed maps save a ton of time. Especially if setting up at a convention. pretty sure you print it, I'll buy it.

      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Thu, 02 June 2016 22:15
Thanks for asking Mr B.

My preferred option is overlord. I like the breakthrough maps - especially the d day maps.

As for pre printed zzscenarios

Think it's about time we crossed the Rhine

Or maybe some eastern front tank on tank action

If you can have the maps ready and printed by the end of the week.......my credit card is in my hand ready for action.

Many thanks

Denoir
      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Thu, 02 June 2016 23:28
Sorry, having thought about it

How about building on Sword Beach and Pegasus bridge to include the Merville battery and efforts of parachute regiment to hold the ridge
      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Fri, 03 June 2016 06:51
Greetings Richard, greetings all,

My heart soars at the thought of more - yea!

I and a friend are the main promoters of Memoir at at local club, about a dozen regular players on a good afternoon.

Pre-printed boards are not a requirement, its bits!

We have more than enough terrain, what we run short of is German armies and cards.

I'd really like to be able to buy two or three more sets of German troops and another three decks of standard cards. Any hope of selling component parts separately?

Back to scenarios though, to answer your question. Breakthroughs if anything. I would like to see more official scenarios, especially Breakthrough. I'm not necessarily in need of campaign linking - although "collections" are good - i.e. the Crete scenarios altogether from a few years back, so that specific operations can be explored, yet not through the "campaign"mechanism.

That there is interest enough to warrant further expansions is good news in itself!

Bring it on, even at the appalling US$ to South African Rand exchange rate!

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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Tue, 07 June 2016 17:01
Breakthrough

Breakthrough is the standard width with more depth, while Overlord has more width and the standard depth. Units mostly move forward. So Breakthrough is a more unique format, while Overlord is more similar to standard - just more set up time. Maneuver is a fun part of war games that is what Breakthrough allows for. This also allows the game to "reset" after the start since there become many variations in the mid-game and end-game. Standard and Overlord games often end up with units on the baseline that can't retreat. Memoir '44 is the only C&C game with a Breakthrough format. This may be in part because deep maneuver did not happen often in Ancients or Napoleonic battles, but such deep maneuver did happen Memoir '44 battles. Praxeo's web page post on Winter Wars notes that Breakthrough works better than Overlord. In addition, Praxeo is planning a special e-book focused just on Breakthrough. The strategy is deeper in Breakthrough. Given that I think standard is similar to Overlord, to me it feels like I get two games for one comparing standard/Overlord to Breakthrough - learn one set of rules and get to play two different types of games with different strategies.
      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Sun, 12 June 2016 13:44
Breakthrough

But to be honest, I´d much prefer more sets for troops and so. It´s bits and pieces I would like to have more of. Italians and French for example.

And what more: I´d love more inclusion of coastal attacks. I.e. ships, boats, subs etc.
      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Mon, 13 June 2016 14:59
Astavar wrote on Sun, 12 June 2016 06:44

Breakthrough

But to be honest, I´d much prefer more sets for troops and so. It´s bits and pieces I would like to have more of. Italians and French for example.

And what more: I´d love more inclusion of coastal attacks. I.e. ships, boats, subs etc.


Like I've always said, we need an Island breakthrough map, about the size of one of the D-Day maps.
      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Sun, 31 July 2016 21:29
Overlord size scenario maps printed with terrain and unit placement. 1st

Preprinted Breakthrough size scenario maps 2nd

In my club, we prefer 4 player games mostly D-day Landings, would be great to have a campaign with those large preprinted maps. Can be different setups on the same maps for example Stalingrad, printed with houses, than as the battle goes forward, we can put up ruins.

Also, please do combat cards for Memoir 44, different decks for each army, maybe two an early and a late deck. I love the other game The Great War. It just lovely how much more balanced because the HQ points, and how much more interactive.
      
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Re:Printed Full Size Scenario Maps? Thu, 18 August 2016 16:27
I would love to have all breakthrough maps followed by overlord maps. Single board maps I don't need since they are so small and easy to setup. Another campaign book would be great. New army Italian would make sense. Maybe sea based memoir game with all naval units, weather and cloud cover would be involved. Board would need to be like a breakthough board hidden movement with different ways of tracking movement like in the old movies where they have the huge battle groups being moved by the rake. Hope this helps.... Cheers...Jared Orlando
      
    
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