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Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Tue, 21 March 2017 02:19
I see the deck are now out of print, everything but maps are almost impossible to find and it seems like nothing is going into reprint. Is Memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? I sure hope not. It gets great reviews and sounds like it got tons of awards but nothing seems to be being printed anymore. Anyone know the future of this game? I hope it's not being shelved since I heard it's changed hands.
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Tue, 21 March 2017 11:29
There HAS been a recent release for this great game, which you can find on the main Memoir 44 page here, but sadly if you are in the UK like me then you have little to no chance of finding it, at least not at its retail price.

Pretty much all of the other out-of-print expansions are highly unlikely to get reprinted, it's a case of searching for them on the second hand market at inflated prices, even if you are outside the UK I'm afraid. Best of luck in your search !

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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Tue, 21 March 2017 22:17
Jaykay2010 wrote on Tue, 21 March 2017 06:29

There HAS been a recent release for this great game, which you can find on the main Memoir 44 page here, but sadly if you are in the UK like me then you have little to no chance of finding it, at least not at its retail price.

Pretty much all of the other out-of-print expansions are highly unlikely to get reprinted, it's a case of searching for them on the second hand market at inflated prices, even if you are outside the UK I'm afraid. Best of luck in your search !



Actually I just ordered Winter Wars from the U.K. because I couldn't find it here. It just seems like many people want and play the game so why is it so hard (or expensive) to keep production going?
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Wed, 22 March 2017 05:02
Everyone who is part of Memoir '44 in any way (Richard, the DoW crew, fans of all ages) want to see Memoir '44 continue to thrive and grow.

I know that several Memoir items were reprinted recently, but I'm not sure if those have hit the shelves yet. I also don't know where those copies were sent to.

None of us have a crystal ball to see what the future holds for the game, but I will support and promote Memoir '44 at every opportunity I have. No matter what happens, I look forward to many years of enjoying my favorite game of all time!
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Wed, 22 March 2017 06:37
Ras, I want a "Like" button here, specifically for posts like yours.
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Wed, 22 March 2017 14:20
It is not unreasonable to expect good customer service. It is unreasonable for a company to not say anything. Customers will act reasonably when the company has taken the time to at least recognize them and explain the situation. A failure to explain the situation or even apologize for mistakes (even if the mistakes or delays are unintended) makes the customer feel disrespected and ignored. I think all folks are asking for is to be treated with a little respect and given an explanation for the possible delays. Any effort made to enlighten the customer would go a long way in making the customer at least feel like they were listened to and treated with respect. Asmodee's silence in this area of concern has only heightened the customers anxiety and has not given them the confidence that they are being listened to or respected.

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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Wed, 22 March 2017 17:13
I don't know that blaming Asmodee is too fair...the policy of Days of Wonder has been to be fairly tight lipped about their plans for things until the plan is in place.

Last we heard about Memoir '44, expansions were being reprinted. Aside from the fact that we haven't seen them hit the shelves yet, we have no reason to believe that plan has changed.
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Wed, 22 March 2017 18:11
rasmussen81 wrote on Wed, 22 March 2017 12:13

I don't know that blaming Asmodee is too fair...the policy of Days of Wonder has been to be fairly tight lipped about their plans for things until the plan is in place.

Last we heard about Memoir '44, expansions were being reprinted. Aside from the fact that we haven't seen them hit the shelves yet, we have no reason to believe that plan has changed.


Jesse, I appreciate your desire to be helpful, I also am fully aware of business needs to be hush-hush when only in the planning stages of a product.
However, at this point in the distribution of the Khalkin-Gol expansion, the company intentionally led folks to believe that this release would be hitting their market by December of last year - and many folks are still waiting and not hearing anything. Folks love their past experience with the game and its value. I am simply stating that you can't expect people to feel happy when it seems as if Asmodee is treating their concerns as unimportant and disrespected if you don't tell them anything. There is no reason Asmodee cannot simply explain why there are obviously unexpected delays and apologize for being behind in schedule. People generally just want to be acknowledged and not ignored.

http://blog.daysofwonder.com/2016/09/29/relive-the-early-hou rs-of-world-war-ii-far-in-the-east-with-memoir-44-the-battle s-of-khalkhin-gol/
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The Battles of Khalkhin-Gol is currently expected to be available in December in both North America and Europe for a retail price of $28/€25.

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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Thu, 23 March 2017 15:23
Clexton27 wrote on Wed, 22 March 2017 17:11

rasmussen81 wrote on Wed, 22 March 2017 12:13

I don't know that blaming Asmodee is too fair...the policy of Days of Wonder has been to be fairly tight lipped about their plans for things until the plan is in place.

Last we heard about Memoir '44, expansions were being reprinted. Aside from the fact that we haven't seen them hit the shelves yet, we have no reason to believe that plan has changed.


Jesse, I appreciate your desire to be helpful, I also am fully aware of business needs to be hush-hush when only in the planning stages of a product.
However, at this point in the distribution of the Khalkin-Gol expansion, the company intentionally led folks to believe that this release would be hitting their market by December of last year - and many folks are still waiting and not hearing anything. Folks love their past experience with the game and its value. I am simply stating that you can't expect people to feel happy when it seems as if Asmodee is treating their concerns as unimportant and disrespected if you don't tell them anything. There is no reason Asmodee cannot simply explain why there are obviously unexpected delays and apologize for being behind in schedule. People generally just want to be acknowledged and not ignored.

http://blog.daysofwonder.com/2016/09/29/relive-the-early-hou rs-of-world-war-ii-far-in-the-east-with-memoir-44-the-battle s-of-khalkhin-gol/
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The Battles of Khalkhin-Gol is currently expected to be available in December in both North America and Europe for a retail price of $28/€25.




I want a 'like' button now for that last post ...


I too would love to continue playing my favourite game, just like you Ras, particularly any newly released expansions that others have access to,.. but when it becomes almost impossible to acquire a brand new release .. then there is definitely something wrong with the strategy .. and frankly, it deserves a complaint or two, here and there.


Place yourself in my shoes Ras, and imagine for a moment that you are yet to even hold a copy of Khalkin Gol. With no obvious announcement of when you're likely to, either ..

Now, how positive do you feel about promoting and championing the way things are structured at the moment for this great game.

It sucks, to be honest. Were three months down the line with no sign of the expansion being available here.


One disillusioned customer from the UK..

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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Thu, 23 March 2017 19:49
nothing has to be written twice, But I agree with Clexton and Jaykay.
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Fri, 24 March 2017 16:21
Jaykay2010 wrote on Thu, 23 March 2017 08:23

Clexton27 wrote on Wed, 22 March 2017 17:11

rasmussen81 wrote on Wed, 22 March 2017 12:13

I don't know that blaming Asmodee is too fair...the policy of Days of Wonder has been to be fairly tight lipped about their plans for things until the plan is in place.

Last we heard about Memoir '44, expansions were being reprinted. Aside from the fact that we haven't seen them hit the shelves yet, we have no reason to believe that plan has changed.


Jesse, I appreciate your desire to be helpful, I also am fully aware of business needs to be hush-hush when only in the planning stages of a product.
However, at this point in the distribution of the Khalkin-Gol expansion, the company intentionally led folks to believe that this release would be hitting their market by December of last year - and many folks are still waiting and not hearing anything. Folks love their past experience with the game and its value. I am simply stating that you can't expect people to feel happy when it seems as if Asmodee is treating their concerns as unimportant and disrespected if you don't tell them anything. There is no reason Asmodee cannot simply explain why there are obviously unexpected delays and apologize for being behind in schedule. People generally just want to be acknowledged and not ignored.

http://blog.daysofwonder.com/2016/09/29/relive-the-early-hou rs-of-world-war-ii-far-in-the-east-with-memoir-44-the-battle s-of-khalkhin-gol/
Quote:

The Battles of Khalkhin-Gol is currently expected to be available in December in both North America and Europe for a retail price of $28/€25.




I want a 'like' button now for that last post ...


I too would love to continue playing my favourite game, just like you Ras, particularly any newly released expansions that others have access to,.. but when it becomes almost impossible to acquire a brand new release .. then there is definitely something wrong with the strategy .. and frankly, it deserves a complaint or two, here and there.


Place yourself in my shoes Ras, and imagine for a moment that you are yet to even hold a copy of Khalkin Gol. With no obvious announcement of when you're likely to, either ..

Now, how positive do you feel about promoting and championing the way things are structured at the moment for this great game.

It sucks, to be honest. Were three months down the line with no sign of the expansion being available here.


One disillusioned customer from the UK..




JK,

Sure you probably seen this post, maybe a little more than at your local game store, but not bad, ordered and received within 3 days or so!! Sniperscout ordered....

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I bought it from Belgium. Had to pay a little extra for postage but i have no faith in Asmodee looking after distribution to UK
http://www.speelkoning.be/ sells it and ships internationally.
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Fri, 24 March 2017 22:43
Just to confirm the above post, yes I did order from Belgium and was delighted with the service. Not affiliated with the shop etc etc and only noticed that stock was in Belgium after a another post by pgorman. I did have to pay extra for shipping to the uk.

Still very disappointed that no stock appears to be available in the U.K. and I would still like to see an official announcement from Asmodee as to why this is the case, but at least I do have the expansion in my hands.
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Sat, 25 March 2017 00:04
Asmodee has not only taken over this game, but another favorite of mine, Tide of Iron. There was talk of a Pacific Expansion for TOI under the 1A leadership, but now, nothing has been heard for at least a year. I hope their support for Memoir isn't as spotty as it has been for Tide of Iron.
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Sat, 25 March 2017 09:00
Maybe we forget one thing?
A company must make a profit, maybe that is the problem there is just to few sales on memoir 44 expansions and reprints?

Who wants to go in to much trouble for making 5 dollars?

I have no idea about the copies they released of Khalkhin Ghol and the actual demand.

Sure it's frustrating for people that find trouble to buy new releases, but let's face it Producing, Shipping websites and Personal cost also a lot of money.

I noticed in my country how many shops closed the last years that where selling board games that where not in the main stream.


J.
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Sat, 25 March 2017 14:29
Well, I disagree JJAZ.
Companies need to lose money as well so they get around paying taxes.
One offsets the other so the company comes out ahead paying a lot less tax to the government.

50th, Bill at 1A was just starting to work on the Pacific with TOI. I don't even think he knew if it would b 1 or 2 expansions.
The real crime is that 1A had cleaned up the British expansion and was ready to print when the licensing plug was pulled. Now, FF/A sits on a DOTF Next Wave but probably won't print it. Mad
Hopefully with all these "mergers" the product lines will thrive as a larger company doesn't have the same financial risks as the two smaller ones did.

I see the need for reprinting the army boxes, terrain, separate maps and base game only.

The battle maps, d-day landings and campaign books should be one offs.
PDFs of the scenarios should be made available though so with the base game and terrain pack the maps can be made.

The real problem is the card decks. These Must be redone for those wishing to do breakthrough, overlord and winter/urban fighting.

I don't see why they can't print them and sell them like they do all the Living Card Games.
Deck packs are not only cheaper to produce but warehouse and ship.

Just hoping the system survives. (both really)
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Sat, 25 March 2017 17:21
[quote title=robert t wrote on Sat, 25 March 2017 14:29]Well, I disagree JJAZ.
Companies need to lose money as well so they get around paying taxes.
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I prefer making money and pay lots of taxes actually Twisted Evil

You have a point there but still I believe the demand is smaller then we all think.
And don't forget even for the cards 1 language is not enough to print these.
J.
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Sat, 25 March 2017 18:12
Demand would be higher than what "traditional war-game" companies see.

As for languages, all the work is done and just needs to be sent to the printer.
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Mon, 27 March 2017 15:45
gonzalan wrote on Fri, 24 March 2017 15:21

Jaykay2010 wrote on Thu, 23 March 2017 08:23

Clexton27 wrote on Wed, 22 March 2017 17:11

rasmussen81 wrote on Wed, 22 March 2017 12:13

I don't know that blaming Asmodee is too fair...the policy of Days of Wonder has been to be fairly tight lipped about their plans for things until the plan is in place.

Last we heard about Memoir '44, expansions were being reprinted. Aside from the fact that we haven't seen them hit the shelves yet, we have no reason to believe that plan has changed.


Jesse, I appreciate your desire to be helpful, I also am fully aware of business needs to be hush-hush when only in the planning stages of a product.
However, at this point in the distribution of the Khalkin-Gol expansion, the company intentionally led folks to believe that this release would be hitting their market by December of last year - and many folks are still waiting and not hearing anything. Folks love their past experience with the game and its value. I am simply stating that you can't expect people to feel happy when it seems as if Asmodee is treating their concerns as unimportant and disrespected if you don't tell them anything. There is no reason Asmodee cannot simply explain why there are obviously unexpected delays and apologize for being behind in schedule. People generally just want to be acknowledged and not ignored.

http://blog.daysofwonder.com/2016/09/29/relive-the-early-hou rs-of-world-war-ii-far-in-the-east-with-memoir-44-the-battle s-of-khalkhin-gol/
Quote:

The Battles of Khalkhin-Gol is currently expected to be available in December in both North America and Europe for a retail price of $28/€25.




I want a 'like' button now for that last post ...


I too would love to continue playing my favourite game, just like you Ras, particularly any newly released expansions that others have access to,.. but when it becomes almost impossible to acquire a brand new release .. then there is definitely something wrong with the strategy .. and frankly, it deserves a complaint or two, here and there.


Place yourself in my shoes Ras, and imagine for a moment that you are yet to even hold a copy of Khalkin Gol. With no obvious announcement of when you're likely to, either ..

Now, how positive do you feel about promoting and championing the way things are structured at the moment for this great game.

It sucks, to be honest. Were three months down the line with no sign of the expansion being available here.


One disillusioned customer from the UK..




JK,

Sure you probably seen this post, maybe a little more than at your local game store, but not bad, ordered and received within 3 days or so!! Sniperscout ordered....

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I bought it from Belgium. Had to pay a little extra for postage but i have no faith in Asmodee looking after distribution to UK
http://www.speelkoning.be/ sells it and ships internationally.
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Hi Tony, thanks, yes I had seen that post .. upon checking the website I was dissapointed to find the postage costs for delivery were too steep for me. Almost doubled the cost of the game itself ! So I'm not in a position to be spending 2x an amount for a game, no matter how keen I am to play it, sadly. Of course, were it in stock in my own country ... grrrrr
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Mon, 27 March 2017 18:06
Even if this great game went the way of the dinosaur, I have one base game and all of the expansions (except the first holiday freebies, but have EP afterwards, and didn't want the bag), and would continue to play this game especially with my memory challenged friends. It is an easy game to play and pick up again after a while.
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Mon, 27 March 2017 20:50
I agree customer services and communications has been very poor on the uk release of the latest expansion.

I have pre ordered it and paid for it when uk games stores listed it on their websites as it was clearly stated that future expansions depended sales of this.

Things have really gone down hill since they stopped selling games on the days of wonder site
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Mon, 27 March 2017 23:37
Jaykay2010 wrote on Mon, 27 March 2017 15:45


Hi Tony, thanks, yes I had seen that post .. upon checking the website I was dissapointed to find the postage costs for delivery were too steep for me. Almost doubled the cost of the game itself ! So I'm not in a position to be spending 2x an amount for a game, no matter how keen I am to play it, sadly. Of course, were it in stock in my own country ... grrrrr


Get active and solve the problem.

Find people in your country/area who are facing the same problem. Make one grouped purchase, sharing the postage costs. Organise a memoir game night once you have them, where you play the expansion and everyone who ordered one can take his copy home with him.

That's just how I would do it.
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Wed, 29 March 2017 20:13
dagorman wrote on Mon, 27 March 2017 19:50

I agree customer services and communications has been very poor on the uk release of the latest expansion.

I have pre ordered it and paid for it when uk games stores listed it on their websites as it was clearly stated that future expansions depended sales of this.

Things have really gone down hill since they stopped selling games on the days of wonder site


I agree, especially with my bold emphasis above. Strange that the statement about uncertain future based on future sales came from RB and I think he commented at the time that he may be speaking out of turn. Add to this that the current expansions says it's the first of the next wave of printed Battle Maps. So what exactly is going on?
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Wed, 29 March 2017 23:21
especially since this "new" battle map expansion includes


2 breakthrough and 2 overlord scenarios.

Hard to play the breakthroughs without the deck Rolling Eyes

and needing a second base game, which is OOP around here, for

the 2 overlord scenarios...

Someone has to start looking at repainting a few things very soon if they want to sell more of these "new"/future battle map expansions Sad
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Thu, 30 March 2017 15:43
I'm not too confident about future expansions. The one I thought would be really good is not likely to be published from what I've heard.

Anyway, even if no more expansions are produced the game has been well developed. I think Richard Borg did a great job in sequencing the most needed expansions to the game.
From what I've seen in other games, it looks like Memoir may go out of print. Even some of the best games eventually do that. I've sleeved my Overlord and Breakthrough decks long ago in anticipating this happening.
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Fri, 31 March 2017 00:50
So I emailed Day's of wonder to ask about the cards that come with the campaign book 1 as I would like to get them to help complete my collection. I also asked for and update to this wonderful game about its future. I received a reply. And I will add it below. I told them how I loved the game and many others in the forum are curious if Memoir 44 was going the way of the dinosaur. He answered me in that and you will see that in a minute.
I just wanted to say, because I started this topic. That I feel we have a right to know what is happening with this game. It wouldn't hurt for the company to let people know what I'm getting ready to add to this question. Customer service is something everyone should receive from time to time and if a company wants customers to be loyal, they should throw you a bone from time to time and you you are right to expect that courtesy.
So here is the reply which should make people happy as to the future of this game.

First of all, thanks for you love of Memoir 44 and for your support into the game, it always pleasant to have feedback like that.

I will reassure you, all the Days of Wonder team still works and believe on Memoir 44.

Regarding the cards, I'm sorry but there are out of stock so I can't help. Maybe you could find some second hand online ?

So there you go. They are still working on keeping it around. This simple post on the forum is, I think, people want to know and good customer service has, to me been answered.
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Fri, 31 March 2017 03:18
Well done Binderchk. You hit the nail right on the head. Most, if not all of us love Memoir 44. Very Happy Smile
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Sun, 02 April 2017 04:03

Binderchk

Your comments weren't that encouraging.

It would have been nice to hear that they were going to reprint the cards at some point. Instead, they tell you to go online to try and find them second hand. Better to have said nothing.

Days of Wonder saying that they still support Memoir is just lip service. What else would they say?
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Sun, 02 April 2017 09:04
I have exactly the same feeling. As we said: Promise doesn't hurt. Publisher feedback sounds like: we like M44 but can´t you promise any future reprints and if you want to have something please have a look at ebay or something like that. This is horrible.

I just wanted to hear if I should wait till new map expansion will arrive to my country or buy it somewhere for expensive costs, if they are going to issue new maps (in month, in year, ...) and if they are going to reprint something.

Binderchk Thank you very much for your effort but for me there is still a lot of questions.

Nevertheless after all discussions and frustration I decided to don't buy new map expansion and rather spend my money for second base games which is going to be completely sold out in my country. I paid less many than new expansion costs and get much more value. I suppose that this is my last investment to M44 family. Sadly.

Many thanks to authors and former publishers of this great game. You have done great job.

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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Mon, 03 April 2017 03:20
Maybe I'm missing something, but the question sent to DoW was about Campaign Book 1 and the cards from that expansion. Why is it a surprise for the reply to be that they aren't planning to reprint that expansion or the cards from it? It's been out of print for years and the PDF has been available, clearly indicating that DoW will not be reprinting it.

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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Mon, 03 April 2017 06:47
rasmussen81 wrote on Sun, 02 April 2017 21:20

Maybe I'm missing something, but the question sent to DoW was about Campaign Book 1 and the cards from that expansion. Why is it a surprise for the reply to be that they aren't planning to reprint that expansion or the cards from it? It's been out of print for years and the PDF has been available, clearly indicating that DoW will not be reprinting it.

I used the card question as I'd like to complete my collection. So, while I had their attention, I ask also about the future of the game. The question isn't about the future of the book but the future of the game as a whole. The cards were a lead in question I was wondering about.
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Mon, 03 April 2017 13:26
Which in itself is part of the wider issue of poor communication and strategy regarding the availability of even their most latest expansion. Especially an expansion that is improved by using specialist decks (i.e. Overlord/Breakthrough), which themselves are no longer available. It's very backward thinking to me.

"Let's test the popularity of this game, but let's not provide access to it like we've done in the past, and let's also not provide the resources for those coming into the game as newcomers, to be able to jump on board" ..

Put simply, Volume 2 of the Battlemaps needs more support. I hope that is clear to DoW and Asmodee. If it genuinely isn't, then I'm afraid they are missing something obvious, and I'm afraid it really does appear as tho the game is heading for extinction, which would be tragic indeed,

A simple explanation of their thinking behind this would be great, but so far, I've not found a valid reason why the latest expansion has been so limited, (despite the potential future of the game actually resting on it).

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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Tue, 04 April 2017 04:42
Completely agree with JK on this one.

Any game as big as Memoir needs to keep growing the fan base in order to be successful. Thus, while they don't need to continue to reprint supplementary material (older battle maps, campaign books), all of the basic materials from those should continue to be available in another form. It is incredibly frustrating to not be able to get cards, units, tiles from supplementary material that are necessary to enjoy new expansions.

      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Wed, 05 April 2017 01:16
I agree, and would like to see a card set of summary cards up to this point in the game to be printed. I also think it would be helpful to have all rules in one booklet, rules from the base game and all expansions. This would be great especially for new players, who don't have all the expansions.

I would also like to see new air rules, where air units are much faster than slow tanks and instead of rolling "air checks", ground units can shoot at them.

A China expansion would be cool, or Italian expansion with Italian armor units with two figures (not much armor typically with their tanks).
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Wed, 05 April 2017 01:47
Or even an update or reason why uk release has been so far behind?
It would take 5 mins to post one really poor customer service
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Wed, 05 April 2017 08:07
Putting als our complains here is good I think. At least it made me feel a little better.

But the question is: How do we let DOW/Asmodee know our complains? It doesn't seem they read their own forum Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Wed, 05 April 2017 16:32
Antoi wrote on Wed, 05 April 2017 08:07

Putting als our complains here is good I think.

Is it?
Imagine you're someone who doesn't know Memoir, but are looking for a new game to play. You've heard someone talk about Memoir, so your interest is tickled, and a search engine on the internet brought you to this forum.
One of the first topics you read, is this one. You'd think it might be a bad idea to invest your time / money in Memoir and will look for another game; one that is not going the way of the dinosaurs.
Another potential player is turned away from Memoir. Less potential players means less people buying the game. Less people buying, means less profit for DoW/Asmodee. Less profit from Memoir, makes them less inclined to invest their time and money into other expansions.

Something else: I've read/heard that Asmodee also bought Fantasy Flight Games. (I might be wrong).
I know FFG as something called "print on demand" for expansion that consists of cards only. They invested in equipment to print small batches of cards as demands come in. Maybe DoW can check if they can use that system to distribute
A) the compendium cards: I know people would be interested in buying a deck of all the cards from the compendium (and those that are still missing in the compendium)
B) the breakthrough deck (without the WW expansion). People who want to play multi board D-Day need many BT decks, but don't need more than 1 WW expansion.
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Wed, 05 April 2017 17:04
Sorry but I don´t think that we should learn publisher to administrate their own webpages and inform their fans. If they don´t have any effort to inform us how they could be able to produce, distribute and announce their games?

If somebody new asks me about good game to buy I could no recommend M44 because this game is almost sold out in my country (even is it very difficult to find out base game) and there is no indication for several months that this will improve in future and publisher doesn´t care about customers.

Sorry but every rope has two tails.



      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Wed, 05 April 2017 17:31
Quit2 has a good point. If your game systems has so many things out of print, and your base game is harder to get than a great steak dinner, why wouldn't you look to another game system.

Also, as far as I know, Asmodee has only acquired the rights to Tide of Iron, (another game system I am heavily invested in), but there hasn't been any news for about a year on that front either.

I would say that if you can get the base game and a couple of expansions, this is still a game worth getting. It is easy to learn, you don't have to have a degree in tactics to win, and there are many scenarios available that are either fan made, or "official".

      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Wed, 05 April 2017 19:05
Quit2 wrote on Wed, 05 April 2017 16:32

Antoi wrote on Wed, 05 April 2017 08:07

Putting als our complains here is good I think.

Is it?
Imagine you're someone who doesn't know Memoir, but are looking for a new game to play. You've heard someone talk about Memoir, so your interest is tickled, and a search engine on the internet brought you to this forum.
One of the first topics you read, is this one. You'd think it might be a bad idea to invest your time / money in Memoir and will look for another game; one that is not going the way of the dinosaurs.
Another potential player is turned away from Memoir. Less potential players means less people buying the game. Less people buying, means less profit for DoW/Asmodee. Less profit from Memoir, makes them less inclined to invest their time and money into other expansions.

Something else: I've read/heard that Asmodee also bought Fantasy Flight Games. (I might be wrong).
I know FFG as something called "print on demand" for expansion that consists of cards only. They invested in equipment to print small batches of cards as demands come in. Maybe DoW can check if they can use that system to distribute
A) the compendium cards: I know people would be interested in buying a deck of all the cards from the compendium (and those that are still missing in the compendium)
B) the breakthrough deck (without the WW expansion). People who want to play multi board D-Day need many BT decks, but don't need more than 1 WW expansion.


At least they now why the can't buy memour'44 Rolling Eyes
and how DOW/Asmodee communicate with their customers.
I'm still a big fan of the game, and bought everything there is. But I like to think that as a customer, I have "the right" to hear why things are going the way they are.

Not long ago, They did an excellent job in customer service / communicating. I don't think that's to much to ask.
      
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Re:Is memoir 44 going the way of the dinosaurs? Wed, 05 April 2017 23:22
Antoi wrote on Wed, 05 April 2017 12:05



At least they now why the can't buy memour'44 Rolling Eyes
and how DOW/Asmodee communicate with their customers.
I'm still a big fan of the game, and bought everything there is. But I like to think that as a customer, I have "the right" to hear why things are going the way they are.

Not long ago, They did an excellent job in customer service / communicating. I don't think that's to much to ask.



I don't feel like I'm entitled to any explanation from the company for which I am a customer. I can choose to still support them with my dollars, or I can choose not to. That is the only thing I am entitled to. Being that I bought the KG map pack, I chose this time to support them. I don't even pretend to know what is going on behind the scenes, but I know that even before, DOW didn't give out much information about upcoming expansions or game products. I do hope they will get their supply problems straightened out, especially for those frustrated European customers. I really hope they get their Tide of Iron line straightened out, as I like that system too. I think this system, and the other could still have great futures. There are expansion ideas for both, if you don't have any, ask the fans and customers what they would like to see. Then it will be successful. But if supply problems continue to persist, demand will dwindle as people move on to other game systems.
      
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