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New Flight Plan - Is an 88Flak Gun Artillery? Thu, 30 April 2020 23:36
Today a friend and I played Battle of Maciejow from the New Flight Plan scenarios. I had a 88Flak Gun adjacent to his aircraft. According to the rules for a Flak Gun it rolls at 2-2-2-2. And in the rules it also says "treated as Artillery for all purposes".

When I went to fire on my opponents adjacent plane, the thought was that I would get 4 dice as the NFP rule states on p.7:
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An Artillery or Destroyer unit can battle a flying air unit that is adjacent or two hexes away (it does not need Line of Sight to the air unit). Artillery or Destroyers battle an air unit with 1 additional die (4 dice).


However, my opponent thought only the standard two dice would count since it fires at 2-2-2-2.

What does the forum think and does DOW have a ruling on this?

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Re:New Flight Plan - Is an 88Flak Gun Artillery? Thu, 30 April 2020 23:42
Artillery have 1 more die, so for me the question is between 3 and 4.
But given that flak 88 are initially anti aircraft gun, we can imagine giving them a bonus : 5 dices (1 more than other artillery) or star count for a hit.
      
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Re:New Flight Plan - Is an 88Flak Gun Artillery? Thu, 30 April 2020 23:49
The rule book says, "Artillery or Destroyers battle an air unit with 1 additional die (4 dice)." The "4 dice" is in parentheses and specifically refers to Artillery and Destroyers, who both normally shoot 3 dice at that range.

Take away the parentheses, and I think you have your answer. 3 dice from the Flak-88.
      
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Re:New Flight Plan - Is an 88Flak Gun Artillery? Fri, 01 May 2020 03:33
I think three dice - it gets the plus one bonus to its regular dice.

Personally I am now thinking that I would house rule it so that it also hits on stars just because I think that's a bit cooler and fitting for the 88s when they do pop up.
      
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Re:New Flight Plan - Is an 88Flak Gun Artillery? Fri, 01 May 2020 04:39
It would have been helpful if the parenthetical said "(normally 4 dice)." But it seems clear to me that a Flak 88 would roll 3 dice against the plane.

Snipers are treated as infantry, but they aren't expected to roll 3d against anything.
      
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Re:New Flight Plan - Is an 88Flak Gun Artillery? Fri, 01 May 2020 11:04
So far i understand

A)Flak shoots from adjacend standard 2 dices
B) Artillerie 3.

C)NFP rules state artillerie range 1 or 2 gives extra die

D)Card NFP can give 2 extra dices

So the result could be (A+C+D) 2 + 1 + 2 = 5
Or the result could be (B+C+D) 3 + 1 + 2 = 6

Sam i get your point of vieuw with the sniper example
And i get JP Pacelli that Flak is Anti aircraft so maybe 7 would be ok

The thing is that it was the first time ever we had a flak shooting at a plane, i used it mostly to pin the flak so it could not shoot at distant targets.

In the end we agreed to play it with 5 dices and will do the rematch the same way.

Memoir 44 and the little rough edges i just love it!
      
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Re:New Flight Plan - Is an 88Flak Gun Artillery? Sat, 27 June 2020 20:09
WOW! I love how different minds add to the interpretation and question the rules and the mechanics of the game.

Personally, I did not give this a second thought. I interpreted the rules as +1 die for artillery, meaning 3+1 = 4 regardless of the type of artillery. The 88 or 8,8 was originally designed as an AA weapon.

I really like Sam's idea of allowing the STAR to be counted as a hit with an 88. Maybe I will houserule it and roll 4 dice as usual, but allow the stars to hit on the combat roll. That would really make the 88's deadly against air units. I like it.

I recently played the Allies and got in the range of Axis artillery without noticing it. I was shot down on their turn.

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Re:New Flight Plan - Is an 88Flak Gun Artillery? Sat, 04 July 2020 09:11
namkha wrote on Sat, 27 June 2020 19:09

I really like Sam's idea of allowing the STAR to be counted as a hit with an 88. Maybe I will houserule it and roll 4 dice as usual, but allow the stars to hit on the combat roll. That would really make the 88's deadly against air units.

Personally I would apply this HR to Bombers only. Fighters and Fighter-Bombers would be too fast.

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Re:New Flight Plan - Is an 88Flak Gun Artillery? Sat, 04 July 2020 09:32
that is a brilliant idea!

Will apply this home rule.
thank you.
      
    
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