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freeman74
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Will be a fantasy Memoir '44? Fri, 22 September 2006 11:06
Hi to all!
The pics i've seen, the boardmap and the cards are identical to Memoir '44...the game seems to be a fantasy version of M44..same graphic, same layout, same gameplay.
Or i'm in wrong?
Please let me (and us) know...
      
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Re:Will be a fantasy Memoir '44? Fri, 22 September 2006 13:44
Let's say I hope you are wrong and sincerely I think you are wrong.

The game-System is the same (known as Commmand & Colors or C&C , Mem44 is part of the C&C Collection) but in Battlelore there seems to be a lot more stuff that changes gameplay, strategies, the 'Gaming-Experience'.
As I know DoW until now they kept up to their promises (as far as I'm concerned) so I don't think they'd bring us just a version of Mem 44 with Orks vs Humans instead of Allies vs Axis.
Have a look ad www. boardgamegeek.com and compare following games: Battle Cry, Memoir 44 and Command and Colors: Ancients - although they have the same 'System' (C&C) they're said to play differently. So I'm looking forward to battlelore..
      
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Re:Will be a fantasy Memoir '44? Fri, 22 September 2006 14:12
It's strange, all this 'fantasy version of M'44' outcry. No one seemed to complain when M'44 came out that it was a 'WWII version of Battlecry', or that C&C:A was an 'ancients version of M'44'. They all share the same basic system, but have various differences that make them unique games.

To take another example, Warhammer and Warhammer 40K are extremely similar games, though one is fantasy and the other sci-fi. Come to think of it, Games Workshop is full of similar examples: Mordheim, Necromunda, Gorkamorka ... all almost the same game mechanics. No one ever complained about that.

Sure, Battlelore has the same basic card-driven system as M'44, but it will also have a unique style and feel of its own. Theere's plenty of places to get information that confirms this - here, boardgamegeek, my own fansite. And anyway, M'44 is my favourite game - a fantasy version with similar mechanics but its own feel is very much a good thing, in my book!

Besides, nobody forces you to buy a game at gunpoint ...

(Not having a go at you specifically freeman74, I'm just having a rant about the general run of posts on this subject on various forums.)

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Re:Will be a fantasy Memoir '44? Fri, 22 September 2006 14:20
I own both Commands and Colors: Ancients and Memoir '44. There are significant differences between those games even though they use the same engine. There are mechanics and unit interactions in CC:A that do not exist in Memoir '44 and vice versa. When I play those games there is no question that I am playing different games. I am sure BattleLore will likewise have its own distinctions. Now how come nobody complains that BattleLore is a fantasy version of Commands and Colors: Ancients? Very Happy
      
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Re:Will be a fantasy Memoir '44? Fri, 22 September 2006 14:34
I can verify that. The games in the series play very differently, and feel very flavoursome due to the components and special rules particular to each era.
      
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Re:Will be a fantasy Memoir '44? Fri, 22 September 2006 16:54
céro wrote on Fri, 22 September 2006 07:44

Let's say I hope you are wrong and sincerely I think you are wrong.

The game-System is the same (known as Commmand & Colors or C&C , Mem44 is part of the C&C Collection) but in Battlelore there seems to be a lot more stuff that changes gameplay, strategies, the 'Gaming-Experience'.
As I know DoW until now they kept up to their promises (as far as I'm concerned) so I don't think they'd bring us just a version of Mem 44 with Orks vs Humans instead of Allies vs Axis.
Have a look ad www. boardgamegeek.com and compare following games: Battle Cry, Memoir 44 and Command and Colors: Ancients - although they have the same 'System' (C&C) they're said to play differently. So I'm looking forward to battlelore..


I'm completely with Céro on this!
      
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Re:Will be a fantasy Memoir '44? Fri, 22 September 2006 16:57
Kenntak wrote on Fri, 22 September 2006 08:20

I own both Commands and Colors: Ancients and Memoir '44. There are significant differences between those games even though they use the same engine. There are mechanics and unit interactions in CC:A that do not exist in Memoir '44 and vice versa. When I play those games there is no question that I am playing different games. I am sure BattleLore will likewise have its own distinctions. Now how come nobody complains that BattleLore is a fantasy version of Commands and Colors: Ancients? Very Happy


I also have "Battlecry" and you are COMPLETELY right about this! There are indeed "significant differences" about those games that make them all VERY enjoyable!
      
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Re:Will be a fantasy Memoir '44? Fri, 22 September 2006 16:58
hey i was just asking! Wink
      
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  Re:Will be a fantasy Memoir '44? Fri, 22 September 2006 17:03
freeman74 wrote on Fri, 22 September 2006 10:58

hey i was just asking! Wink


I KNOW, and it isn't a personal "attack" either. Please, don't consider it like that! You are fully right to ask those questions and I don't know either what BattleLore will be REALLY like!
      
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Re:Will be a fantasy Memoir '44? Fri, 22 September 2006 17:45
I own all 3 games and still play them all. Though I like certain features over the others, none of them have replaced any of the others. It just depends on my mood which one comes out. And with PBEM, I have all 3 games going with different opponents right now.

I think the reason this question is getting asked so much - and not just here but everywhere - is that this is the first time that you have one company doing a 2nd version of C&C. Different packaging, different themes, different rulebook layouts helped keep each of the companies' respective version different enough not to warrant such a large outcry. (You will always have things like Memoir 44 is the WWII version of Battle Cry - I do it myself all the time).

But now we have the same company doing the same system with a different theme. We can expect the components to be very similar. Same high quality miniatures and not cheap mass produced figures like Battle Cry or wood blockw with Ancients. Far superior cards, a sturdy gameboard, beautiful full color rulebooks, great customer support, etc. So it easy to draw the comparisons and be leary that this is just a repackaged Memoir 44.

But to get to the meat of the question, one should more appropriately ask "Is this going to be a fantasy version of Ancients?" That is much more closer to the mark than Memoir 44. We already see the potential for "momentum" and "battle back" though albeit under different names. We have the classification of "light/irregular" "medium/standard" and "heavy/elite" that Ancients gave us. Differing conditions for range attack versus close combat; a reduction in die for ranged units moving and firing. Really, this game seems more founded on Ancients than Memoir and most definitely Battle Cry. But we can see that BattleLore will go beyond even Ancients with the introduction of Lore Cards, a War Council, and 3rd party units (the Hill Giant, Earth Elemental, etc).

Memoir 44 and BattleLore will share the great vision of Richard Borg and the wonderful production capabilities of Days of Wonder. But really, that is where the similarities should stop. BattleLore will be a completely new gaming experience.
      
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Re:Will be a fantasy Memoir '44? Sat, 23 September 2006 03:31
Check out the latest blog entry on the weapons cards and how they affect the results of the battle dice. Interestingly, BattleLore deals with interactions between troops based upon weapon type.
      
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Re:Will be a fantasy Memoir '44? Sat, 04 November 2006 15:32
OK, now that the game is out and being played, I'll ask the question..... =8)

How are M44 players finding BL and how different is it? I ask because, as mentioned before, it's quite an additional layout if it's "just a fantasy version of M44". I have read a review and it _is_ reported to be very different, but I thought I would ask the people playing it for more information. I am more of a fantasy player then a WWII so I would like it, but there are plenty of other fantasy wargames out there (several of which I own, hehe) so I don't really want to cough up £50 for a similar game to one I already own.

Cheers for any enlightenment you can give me. =8)
      
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Re:Will be a fantasy Memoir '44? Sat, 04 November 2006 17:58
Mad-Halfling wrote on Sat, 04 November 2006 09:32

OK, now that the game is out and being played...



Um....what?

Battlelore isn't out yet...is it? I thought it wouldn't be out 'til late November?

Jeff
      
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Re:Will be a fantasy Memoir '44? Sat, 04 November 2006 20:04
Jeff Cope wrote on Sat, 04 November 2006 10:58

Mad-Halfling wrote on Sat, 04 November 2006 09:32

OK, now that the game is out and being played...



Um....what?

Battlelore isn't out yet...is it? I thought it wouldn't be out 'til late November?

Jeff

It was playtested at Essen
      
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Re:Will be a fantasy Memoir '44? Sat, 04 November 2006 21:01
ColtsFan76 wrote on Sat, 04 November 2006 14:04


It was playtested at Essen


Well, yeah, saw that in the blog. But, that's (at least in my book) a far cry from being out.

Alrighty....carry on.

Wink

Jeff
      
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Re:Will be a fantasy Memoir '44? Sat, 04 November 2006 23:54
@_BGG theres threads;
Feedback from Essen on BattleLore?
Demo game at Essen
Agincourt first play
Subject: First Impressions

Kulkmanns; gamebox promises a review mid Nov.

Universal Head has a lot of links to check on, has
some info in the forum.
      
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Re:Will be a fantasy Memoir '44? Sun, 05 November 2006 21:56
ah....ermm...thought I'd seen it in my FGLS, but maybe I've been just looking at his pre-order info sheet, LOL. It's been a long week....... =8)
      
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Re:Will be a fantasy Memoir '44? Mon, 06 November 2006 09:44
Well, I played the game at Essen a few weeks ago.
And I can say, yes, it looks and feels a lot like Memoir 44, but that's just for the first 5 minutes..
When you start learning the rules of combat, you will start noticing the subtile differences (combat rules, movement, ..). And once you get familiar with the War Council, Lore and Lore Cards, you will surely deny that BattleLore is just a mere fantasy version of Memoir 44!

And after hearing that DOW is planning to heavily support this game (even more then Memoir 44), I just couldn't resist to place a pre-order anymore Smile
      
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Re:Will be a fantasy Memoir '44? Mon, 06 November 2006 20:27
Whatever the case may be, all the games in the C&C collection are a blast to play so far, and I can't see this one being any different. In fact, I have already recruited new players to the system from a group of friends (D&D players) simply because of the fantasy motiff. They aren't too hot to try any of the others as they are not "wargamers", but with the fantasy aspect they are all gung-ho to go!

I have my two copies on pre-order and look forward to the expansion packs... bring it on!
      
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Re:Will be a fantasy Memoir '44? Tue, 07 November 2006 00:25
I am going with the general trend of answers here, My experience has been that the games play very differently (Memoir '44 and Ancients especially) and both games, while similar, have a very different feel to them. There are things I like about Ancients that I wish Memoir 44 allowed, and vice versa. So what gets played depends on my mood. Explaining Battlelore as a Fantasy Memoir '44 is a short-hand approach to giving someone an idea what the basic system is like.
      
    
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