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  Fed Cup TAG TEAM Tournament Tue, 13 March 2007 14:23
Hi

The europe tournament is near the end and so it's time to announce the next events.

We have to do the first QT 2007 soon. 3 months since the last are gone.

So end of march or begin of april is the next date.
And this time i want 64 participants! And i want all the good players and former number ones! I will personally invite all top players for this event the day the concrete schedule for QT1/07 is set. And i will not accept any apologies Wink

QT is an one day event so it should no problem to have another weekly tournament going the same moment.

The Fed Cup is a team tournament for 2-player-teams. Mainly it is a tag team tournament but we will do a BEST OF FIVE with 2 single games and 3 Tag Team Matches. The idea: The number one of team A is playing one game against the number one of team B. After this we have 3 TAG TEAM with all players and the last game (if necessary) is number two vs. number two.

I think with 8 or 12 teams we have 2 round robins and a final (8 teams) plus semifinal (12 teams).

Please respond in this thread if you are interested to participate as a team or if you are searching for a partner. Feel free to demand another modus.

EDIT: The Best of Seven is a good idea, but it is time consuming... At least we should do 3 tag teams, that's all i am demanding.

bye, erps

P.S. Own thread for QT01/07 will follow, this thread will remain later the FED CUP THREAD.

Rules for first TAG TEAM tournament (for information only)
http://www.daysofwonder.com/index.php?t=msg&goto=43486&a mp;a mp;a mp;S=34b22dc40a2ea46ab8a9bb662d00336c#msg_43486

P.P.S. Nice Rolli. But sometimes someone should know when to make fun and when it's meant serious... I know my "i" fault, but i refuse to use the capital I, because nobody should write i or me big (one of the rules in eglish i never understood).

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Re:Coming Tournaments: QT1/07 and Fed Cup Tue, 13 March 2007 15:32
I didn't say anything.

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Re:Coming Tournaments: QT1/07 and Fed Cup Tue, 13 March 2007 23:03
fed cup - Thumbs Up
modus - Thumbs Down
I liked your old idea (#1 vs #2 - #2 vs #1 - tag - #2 vs #2 - #1 vs #1) better - as in tennis ...
If you think that there is too little tag in it make it 3 tags and best of 7.
But I think every player should at least play one 1 vs 1 game.
(yes, correct - being a likely #2 I'd find it sad to play only tag ... my 1 vs 1 game would never take place because we will have won by then Rolling Eyes )

cu in fed cup
      
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Re:Coming Tournaments: QT1/07 and Fed Cup Wed, 14 March 2007 05:10
hi erps,

i agree with dea Cool
both teammates should have at least one match.

however, masimo and me signs in as a team.

cu
shamo
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Re:Coming Tournaments: QT1/07 and Fed Cup Wed, 14 March 2007 11:11
ok erps for the quick tournament. Now I am 12 hours different that the Germans! I am NOT going to play my matches at 3 in the morning. So lets make something a bit more reasonable eh? And help out those other poor USA boys and girls also.

Baron
      
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Re:Coming Tournaments: QT1/07 and Fed Cup Wed, 14 March 2007 11:47
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Baron_ schrieb am Wed, 14 March 2007 11:11

ok erps for the quick tournament. Now I am 12 hours different that the Germans! I am NOT going to play my matches at 3 in the morning. So lets make something a bit more reasonable eh? And help out those other poor USA boys and girls also.

Baron


12 hours? Hawaii?

Ok, let's say you are able to play at 8 in the morning, so the start of QT would be 20 (8 pm) for most european players and 2 pm for US east coast players.

The last QT shows that all players are playing really "quick". Usually the first 3 rounds are done in one hour, the rest in another hour. So end of QT would be 22 (10pm) for Europe.

Are these times okay for most players on a Saturday? (Sunday?)

bye, erps

P.S. QT is played on the one and only map: US

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Re:Coming Tournaments: QT1/07 and Fed Cup Wed, 14 March 2007 13:40
Baron_ schrieb am Wed, 14 March 2007 11:11


And help out those other poor USA boys and girls also.

Baron


I always thought our all-american fellas over there were all rich!?! Laughing

Just sign in and stop whining (finally i used this word for my first time...)

And my special announcement will go out to all the other "TOPS" in the world join the QT! 64 players is a must this time!

Ty erps for just another highlight! Smile

By the way: the winners of the QTs in order again:

1. Womble
2. Toutoune
3. Muddaihrsohn Twisted Evil
4. Womble
5. Toutoune

1. Logically who will follow?! Rolling Eyes
2. Is this kinda European Classics Competition? Very Happy
3. One question: are we gonna play on USA-map or do thousands of Tops have to change their life content into a swiss chaos map!?

To quote a favourite movie: "Be there or be square"

Muddaihrsohn (on a run)
      
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Re:Coming Tournaments: QT1/07 and Fed Cup Wed, 14 March 2007 21:25
hi erps,

fed-cup - super
i agree with dea and shamogi

Leleline_M and me sign in as a team

cu
_Tom_ Shocked Rolling Eyes

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Re:Coming Tournaments: QT1/07 and Fed Cup Wed, 14 March 2007 21:46
well - what can i say?????

could i ever ever get into an argument with dea???
NO WAY !!!


i like her idea and of course i (have to Twisted Evil ) agree with shamogi ...... BUT ......

4 singles and 3 TAGs will mean that the singles alone can lead to a decision (just like in two singles and one TAG) - Question is - do we want to emphasize on the TAG aspect or on the Team aspect?

i like both and am sure whatever will be fun.

CU in FedCup
Mas

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
      
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Re:Coming Tournaments: QT1/07 and Fed Cup Thu, 15 March 2007 08:48
I would be in - if i find a partner Wink
      
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Re:Coming Tournaments: QT1/07 and Fed Cup Fri, 16 March 2007 12:44
Hi,

One more team for the FED Cup:

Nayeli Twisted Evil + sebbo Razz

cheers
sebbo
      
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Re:Fed Cup Mon, 19 March 2007 10:56
Hi

I am proud to announce that

womble and erps

are joining the tournament.


Proposal (sebb0's idea):

We play 7 games: 1vs2, 2vs1, 3 Tag Teams, 2vs2, 1vs1
The Tag teams count 2 points, the single games only 1 points. So it is not possible to win the match with only winning the singles (you need at least one tag team win).

bye, erps
      
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Re:Fed Cup TAG TEAM Tournament Mon, 19 March 2007 11:33
Hi

Teams and interested players so far for FED CUP:

shamogi and masimo
_Tom_ and Leleline_M
Nayeli and sebbo
womble and erps
Hecki and ???
dea1 and ???

With 8 to 12 teams we should have 2 groups round robin separated by ranking (for 8: 1 and 4,5 and 8 in first group; 2 and 3, 6 and 7 in second group, overall ranking is used).

As Tag Teams are only considered fair, if a double move in the beginning is avoided, we should use a similar rule for the singles, but i don't have an idea how to do it... Maybe the first single game it is random, the second game the other team has the right to abandon the game if they don't start. Same goes for the third and fourth game.

In round robin a tie is possible! In KO the tag team winning points are considered more worth in case of a tie.

8 teams: Only one final match
12 teams: Semifinal 1-2, 2-1 and final

bye, erps

      
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Re:Fed Cup TAG TEAM Tournament Mon, 19 March 2007 13:48
erps schrieb am Mon, 19 March 2007 11:33

dea1 and ???

dea1 and Angel6 Smile
      
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Re:Fed Cup TAG TEAM Tournament Mon, 19 March 2007 13:59
Hi,

daedin & pegaso we are in too!!

bye, pegaso
      
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Re:Fed Cup TAG TEAM Tournament Mon, 19 March 2007 17:03
One question to the rules:

Quote:

It is allowed to communicate between team members during the whole game (and before and after... short: the whole time).


Is it allowed to communicate with all methods of communication (ICQ, Skype ... ) or only with the chat tool in the game?

and another question: when will the tournament starts?

cu, christian
      
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Re:Fed Cup TAG TEAM Tournament Mon, 19 March 2007 17:08
Hi

chrismmm_1987 schrieb am Mon, 19 March 2007 17:03

One question to the rules:

Quote:

It is allowed to communicate between team members during the whole game (and before and after... short: the whole time).


Is it allowed to communicate with all methods of communication (ICQ, Skype ... ) or only with the chat tool in the game?

and another question: when will the tournament starts?

cu, christian


Hm, if you prefer chatting in the game, i think your opponents will be very happy Wink Of course, you can use ANY communication even face to face if possible.

We start after the europe tournament and with enough teams (at least Cool. I think offical start may be 2nd of April.

bye, erps

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Re:Fed Cup TAG TEAM Tournament Tue, 20 March 2007 00:05
hey

Volleytom and chrismmm_1987 will also join the tournament.

cu, christian
      
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Re:Fed Cup Tue, 20 March 2007 05:12
erps wrote on Mon, 19 March 2007 05:56

Proposal (sebb0's idea):

We play 7 games: 1vs2, 2vs1, 3 Tag Teams, 2vs2, 1vs1
The Tag teams count 2 points, the single games only 1 points. So it is not possible to win the match with only winning the singles (you need at least one tag team win).



Um, erps,

bad idea.

Suppose one team wins two tags and one single. They get 5 points. Meanwhile the other team wins one tag and three singles for 5 points. Ties in tourneys are bad news. I would go with either a) 1 point apiece or b) 2 for singles and 3 for tag. The second option seems to be in the spirit of sebbo's proposal, but avoids ties.

[edit: dang, should really read all of the thread. Yes erps thinks of all, and already noticed and approved of the possibility of a tie in the very next post. However, I still wonder whether 2 tag and 1 single is really better than 1 tag and three singles.]

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Re:Fed Cup Tue, 20 March 2007 06:59
ok Erps. Since it's ok for unrepentant cheaters to enter your tournaments I would like to formally announce the Awesome tag team partnership of.....


Ta Ta Ta TUM!!!!

Baron and Baron's other i.d.!!!!!

Since Baron has multiple personalities it may be hard for them to "communicate" with each other but we will have to make do. Twisted Evil

Baron

Please please please let us play! Laughing Laughing

oh and p.s. Baron completely and totally sucks at tag team. (Just ask Shamogi, Lele J, or Sebbo) Trust me, even with two Barons there aint much hope for Baron's. Just not a game Baron has wanted to master.

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Re:Fed Cup Tue, 20 March 2007 13:51
Just another team for the Fed-Cup:

Monika featuring Muddaihrsohn Very Happy

C ya in the games

Moni+Mudda
      
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Re:Fed Cup Tue, 20 March 2007 15:53
Hi,

The german submarines are also sign in Very Happy Very Happy

watch out for some nice games Twisted Evil

U 32 and U 31

cu

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Re:Fed Cup Tue, 20 March 2007 16:41
Hi

Zeno schrieb am Tue, 20 March 2007 05:12



[edit: dang, should really read all of the thread. Yes erps thinks of all, and already noticed and approved of the possibility of a tie in the very next post. However, I still wonder whether 2 tag and 1 single is really better than 1 tag and three singles.]


Just to clarify things here: Not only a tie overall for a match is possible, every game can end with a tie (for singles it's 0.5 to 0.5, for TAG it's 1 to 1 points spreading). I think in a non KO-system with only one single game between 2 players it's not fair not to count a tie one of the players has fought desperatly!

So, the Rules:

Ties in single or tag team games count as 0.5 / 1.0 points
Wins in single or tag team games count as 1.0 / 2.0 points

A match are 2 singles, 3 tag teams and 2 singles as described above.

For round robin a victory (of a match) count 2 points, a tie count 1 point.

For KO-matches in case of a tie, the winner of more tag team points win the match. Is this a tie too, both teams must play Tie Breaker Tag Team matches till one team wins a tag team (usually one Wink)

Tie breaker after Round robin is the direct clash. If this is a tie too, there must be a Tie breaker as described in the paragraph above (playing tag team matches). Same rules goes for more than 2 equal teams.

With 16 teams we will have 4 groups with 4 teams, semifinal and final (only the group leaders will advance to KO).

Teams (update)
shamogi & masimo
_Tom_ & Leleline_M
Nayeli & sebbo
womble & erps
dea1 & Angel6
daedin & pegaso
Volleytom & chrismmm_1987
Monika & Mudda
U32 & U31

Hecki and ???
Baron and ???

Sorry Baron, i don't like the idea of one player playing both players in a "team", that's not my idea of a team play. So please find you a team member, should be not to hard for you with your charming personality. How's Tazilon doing? Wink Of course i can't prevent you from renaming or opening another account and joining the tournament with a dummy team member, but i hope you will not do so (i think one dummy team member is more than enough Smile)

bye, erps


      
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Re:Fed Cup Tue, 20 March 2007 20:11
Can we have the total points as the first tiebraker?
This would ensure that the single games are all played.
I think it would be a pity if the #1s never play each other because the match is probably decided by then.

It would also reduce the risk of a 3-way-tie
(a not unlikely scenario with 4 teams per group: A loses all matches, B wins against C, C wins against D, D wins against B).
      
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Re:Fed Cup Wed, 21 March 2007 10:30
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dea1 schrieb am Tue, 20 March 2007 20:11

Can we have the total points as the first tiebraker?
This would ensure that the single games are all played.
I think it would be a pity if the #1s never play each other because the match is probably decided by then.

It would also reduce the risk of a 3-way-tie
(a not unlikely scenario with 4 teams per group: A loses all matches, B wins against C, C wins against D, D wins against B).


Right, in Round Robin ALL games must be played even if it is decided. But first tiebreaker remains direct clash, in case of an 3 way (or 4 way tie Wink) the overall points of the involved teams are the next tiebreaker (so if B wins 10:0 vs C, C wins 6:4 vs D and D wins 7:3 vs B it's B with 13, D with 11 and C with 6 points). For speeding up the process the overall points are the next tie breaker in a 2 way tie (after the direct clash) or if all involved teams have the same points in the direct clash (most unlikely, but you never know).

Ok?

bye, erps
      
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Re:Fed Cup TAG TEAM Tournament Wed, 21 March 2007 21:01
hi Erps:
Suburu and hojita-no-GO wants to play too!!!
      
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Re:Fed Cup TAG TEAM Tournament Thu, 22 March 2007 02:48
I might play if I find a worthy partner!
      
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Re:Fed Cup TAG TEAM Tournament Thu, 22 March 2007 06:57
oh I know you want me Drake. You are just having a hard time coming right out and saying it. Smile

I'll be your partner as long as Nando or BVB are not in. If they are then you will need to find a partner that is not nearly the stellar player Baron is. That would be sad for you. Sad

Sincerely,

Baron
      
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Re:Fed Cup TAG TEAM Tournament Thu, 22 March 2007 12:05
Baron_ wrote on Wed, 21 March 2007 22:57

oh I know you want me Drake.


Yes, but only in a sexual way.
      
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Re:Fed Cup TAG TEAM Tournament Thu, 22 March 2007 13:23
Hi all....

Here is another team...

schwen & imotep

bye schwen
      
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Re:Fed Cup TAG TEAM Tournament Thu, 22 March 2007 13:30
LOL - what a declaration of love! Baron you must be very happy about so lovely words Very Happy

Maybe I should play with womble Rolling Eyes
      
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Re:Fed Cup TAG TEAM Tournament Thu, 22 March 2007 14:25
Hi all,

here is an other team:

bats_ & Robomat

are in.

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Re:Fed Cup TAG TEAM Tournament Fri, 23 March 2007 09:08
DrakeStorm wrote on Thu, 22 March 2007 07:05

Baron_ wrote on Wed, 21 March 2007 22:57

oh I know you want me Drake.


Yes, but only in a sexual way.


Get in line. Ahead of you is the Baroness, Spudamon, Monika, and another player who can't be held to her words since she might have been just a bit more drunk than Gary Busey on a Saturday morning.

Baron (why can't people love me for my mind?)
      
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Re:Fed Cup TAG TEAM Tournament Fri, 23 March 2007 10:37
Hi

Start of tournament is 1st of April, one week for one round. But i think it is no problem if one round is from weekend to weekend including.

Teams (update)
1. shamogi & masimo
2. _Tom_ & Leleline_M
3. Nayeli & sebbo
4. womble & erps
5. dea1 & Angel6
6. daedin & pegaso
7. Volleytom & chrismmm_1987
8. Monika & Mudda
9. U32 & U31
10. Suburu & hojita-no-GO
11. schwen & imotep
12. bats_ & Robomat
13. Nanni15 & Pepetever
14. Hecki & wostwuist
15. ???
16. ???

Baron and ???
Drakestorm and ???

16 is mxaimum! I will not accept more teams because everything above this number is an organizational mess... Okay, if team number 17 is finding 3 more teams... 20 teams (4 groups with 5 teams) it seemed okay.

Baron_ schrieb am Fri, 23 March 2007 09:08


Baron (why can't people love me for my mind?)


Because you can't get love for nothing Twisted Evil Very Happy

bye, erps

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Re:Fed Cup TAG TEAM Tournament Fri, 23 March 2007 12:53
I want to announce another dreamteam....

Nanni15 and Pepetever
Smile
      
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Re:Fed Cup TAG TEAM Tournament Sun, 25 March 2007 19:20
Hi

Addition to rules:

All single games must played rated.
All Tag Team games are played unrated (if one team wants this).
In round robin every game must be played.

Team ranking is based on OVERALL score (both member ELO points added) at the beginning of the tournament (1. April, 12 CEST).

Number one/number two of one team is based on Overall ELO score on 1. April, 12 CEST too and will never change during tournament.

bye, erps
      
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Re:Fed Cup TAG TEAM Tournament Mon, 26 March 2007 10:35
Hi erps, i will play with wostwuist.
      
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Re:Fed Cup TAG TEAM Tournament Sat, 31 March 2007 12:56
Hi

Here is the link for the ranking of the fed cup:

http://www.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/~erps/tickettoride/ta gteam/ranking.html

Tomorrow 12 CEST these values are taken for scheduling.

For 14 teams we have 2 groups with (sorted to rankings)

1. womble & erps -- erps: 1728 -- womble: 1682
2. dea1 & Angel6 -- dea1: 1705 -- Angel6: 1695
3. Hecki & wostwuist -- wostwuist: 1704 -- Hecki: 1675
4. Nayeli & sebbo -- sebbo: 1707 -- Nayeli: 1666
5. Volleytom & chrismmm_1987 -- chrismmm_1987: 1674 -- Volleytom: 1669
6. daedin & pegaso -- pegaso: 1695 -- daedin: 1644
7. schwen & imotep -- Imotep: 1655 -- Schwen: 1643
8. Nanni15 & Pepetever -- Nanni15: 1658 -- pepetever: 1640
9. shamogi & masimo -- shamogi: 1675 -- Masimo: 1621
10. U32 & U31 -- U 31: 1684 -- U 32: 1573
11. _Tom_ & Leleline_M -- _Tom_: 1601 -- Leleline_M: 1586
12. Monika & Mudda -- Muddaihrsohn: 1745 -- Monika: 1415
13. Suburu & hojita-no-GO -- hojita-no-GO: 1587 -- suburu: 1541
14. bats_ & Robomat -- Robomat: 1566 -- Bats_: 1516

Gruppe 1:
A 1. womble & erps
B 4. Nayeli & sebbo
C 5. Volleytom & chrismmm_1987
D 8. Nanni15 & Pepetever
E 9. shamogi & masimo
F 12. Monika & Mudda
G 13. Suburu & hojita-no-GO

Gruppe 2:
A 2. dea1 & Angel6
B 3. Hecki & wostwuist
C 6. daedin & pegaso
D 7. schwen & imotep
E 10. U32 & U31
F 11. _Tom_ & Leleline_M
G 14. bats_ & Robomat

The schedule for the rounds in every group is:

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Round 1: Group 1
A vs G womble & erps vs Suburu & hojita-no-GO
B vs F Nayeli & sebbo vs Monika & Mudda
C vs E Volleytom & chrismmm_1987 vs shamogi & masimo
D bye Nanni15 & Pepetever

Round 1: Group 2
A vs G dea1 & Angel6 vs bats_ & Robomat
B vs F Hecki & wostwuist vs _Tom_ & Leleline_M
C vs E daedin & pegaso vs U32 & U31
D bye schwen & imotep

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Round 2:
B vs G
C vs F
D vs E
A bye

Round 3:
A vs C
D vs G
E vs F
B bye

Round 4:
A vs E
B vs D
F vs G
C bye

Round 5:
A vs F
B vs E
C vs D
G bye

Round 6:
A vs D
B vs C
E vs G
F bye

Round 7:
A vs B
C vs G
D vs F
E bye

bye, erps

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Complete Rules Sun, 01 April 2007 14:14
Hi

All rules for FED CUP:

A team has 2 members. The better ranked player at the time of the seeding (1st of April, 12 CEST) is called the number 1, the other player the number 2.

In the round robin phase every team is playing one match against every other team of the same group.

A round in round robin is one week. However if both teams agree games can be played before or after the scheduled week. Please don't play more than 2 rounds in one week and don't be ahead with too many matches (like playing all 6 matches after 3 weeks but all other teams have only 2 or 3 matches).

It is possible to play a match not in the week it is scheduled

A match is played 2 single games, 3 tag team games and 2 single games. The first 2 single games are the games number 1 vs number 2 of both teams, the last 2 single games are number 1 vs number 1 and number 2 vs number 2. The order in every single game group is free to choose, but the overall order of the match (2 s, 3 t, 2 s) must be followed.

Ties in single or tag team games count as 0.5 / 1.0 points
Wins in single or tag team games count as 1.0 / 2.0 points
For round robin a victory (of a match) count 2 points, a tie count 1 point.

For KO-matches in case of a tie, the winner of more tag team points win the match. Is this a tie too, both teams must play Tie Breaker Tag Team matches till one team wins a tag team (usually one)

Tie breaker after Round robin are the overall points in the direct clash(es). If this is a tie too, there must be a Tie breaker as described in the paragraph above (playing tag team matches).

In a tag team game the order to join the game is first player of Team X, then the 2 players of Team Z, then the second player of Team X. If a double start move occurs the team with the disadvantge can choose to not play the game after the ticket choosing phase.

In every 2-games-group of single games you have to remember the order of the first single game. If in the second game the same team starts the game again, the other player can choose to abandon the game(s) till he starts the game.

All games must played open!
All single games must played rated.
All Tag Team games are played unrated (if one team wants this).
In round robin every game must be played.
In Tag Team matches every form of communication between team members is allowed, but not in the single games!

Please write the results here in this thread (and PM me if possible)

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