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Baron Von Schmidt
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seems to be a thing SOME germans have done Fri, 20 April 2007 07:50
yep once again. I lose my wireless connection, this particular german player continues on vs. a bot when I had the game won and of course the bot screws the pooch. I come back, ask many times for the game to be cancelled in english and German and the german player ignores the requests.

Timo und Jojo this time.

And I don't care if they are the nicest person around or a catholic priest ok?

My tickets, van-mont, winn-lr. Had one made, wanted to place the 3 blue to ny then 2 white then 5 green and finally 2 grey to get longest and make both.

Game says I place the 3 blue but then I see fatal error. by they time I come back the bot has needlessly drawn tickets (keeping of all things la-chi a 16 pt ticket it had no hope of ever making) and drawn 3 more cards past 45. Going through chicago and down to lr, losing longest, taking extra turns, wasting locos, not using the 5 greens in my hand etc.

for 2 full turns I ask Timo and Jojo to cancel the game, first in english then using a german translations program. Over and over, no response. Then I get botted again for taking too long and of course Timo finishes.

Many of my friends here are good nice Germans and yet nearly all the known cheaters have been German (NOT putting any of the bot finishers in that catagory, let me be clear), and now bot finisher after bot finisher.

No german who I do not know to be an honorable player will I ever play again regardless of their rank. 3rd time in a row a top 150 player has gotten the cheap points. U 32 told me through Monika she doesn't see the big deal. Well U 32, have someone translate the etiquette posts for you but better yet, have it happen to you a few times where someone finishes vs. the bot then you come tell me it's not a big deal to you.

That was in lieu of an explanation or apology from her, so that is that. Hate me all you want and try to beat me if you can, but don't continue on vs a bot if we play.

Baron

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Re:seems to be a german thing Fri, 20 April 2007 08:45
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Re:seems to be a german thing Fri, 20 April 2007 09:44
Baron,

I'm sick and tired of your stupid posts about germans!

But hey, you're so right: all german people are cheater - all finnish people are cold as ice, all spanish people are slauthering 10.000 steers every day and all american guys are paranoid!

Have a good day in your own fairy-tale-world!

Nayeli

      
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Re:seems to be a german thing Fri, 20 April 2007 10:06
And don't forget, all french people are uppity frogs Rolling Eyes
      
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I Think We Should All Go To War And Settle This Like Unreasonable Animals Fri, 20 April 2007 10:51
Nayeli wrote on Fri, 20 April 2007 09:44

Baron,

I'm sick and tired of your stupid posts about germans!

But hey, you're so right: all german people are cheater - all finnish people are cold as ice, all spanish people are slauthering 10.000 steers every day and all american guys are paranoid!

Have a good day in your own fairy-tale-world!

Nayeli





And don't forget that Dutch people are always high every day.

Woooaaah... Wendy, I can flyyyyyy!

D.I.S.
      
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Re:seems to be a german thing Fri, 20 April 2007 11:20
OK, everybody is free to have prejudices. And everybody is free to not play anybody else for any reason, even if others consider this prejudiced. Me for example, I have a big, red, fat, shiny nose and I respect when you therefore don't want to play with me online.

Just another question. Is it really common, not to continue vs. the bot? I mean often when I really annoy others with blocking, they liberately leave the game. I do not care and since I want to win, I win against the best, the opponent can deliver. If thats the bot, so be it. Why should I help them avoid a loss?

I like it more, though, when opponents struggle and face their destiny Twisted Evil If I have the feeling, that a person was botted by tech problems, I wait for them.

But can I really know the difference for sure? I'd like to hear some thoughtful opinions about that, or a reference where this is answered in the netiquette.

Max

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Re:seems to be a german thing Fri, 20 April 2007 12:55
Its funny how in response to almost all of Baron's posts, people just comment on the 'sensational' portions and ignore the underlying issue(s).

Not just in these past 2 posts, but in others as well. Maybe the Baron deserves a bit of a backlash for his over the top diatribes, but that doesn't change what happened, unless of course people think the Baron is lying.

Do people think he is lying?

If not, has the stance changed among the community - that it is in fact ok to play on against a bot?

So now if he is not lying and its not ok to play on against a bot (especially when Top Players are involved), then what do you say to the people that did it to the Baron?

All I've really heard is some lame excuse that "it all must be a misunderstanding!" Or "why is he so upset if he doesn't care about points?" Neither of those really have anything to do with the underlying issue.

I mean if it was a misunderstanding, then some people should be apologizing, don't you think? Or has the Baron burned so many bridges, he doesn't even deserve that?

I don''t really care what way it goes - play on against the bot or don't play, whatever, but at least understand the topic before you post (not necessarily refering to this particular post, but just in general - unless of course you are posting just to be amusing which is different)



      
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Re:seems to be a german thing Fri, 20 April 2007 13:59
I don't know who you people are but I think this post is a bit harsh. Come on people..................it's just a game. Quit the name calling and be civil.

P.s. if you don't like losing points, why won't you play a guest. And on the other hand, why do you seem to always set your games up for the top players only. Seems like points mean more to you than you want to admit.

love to all

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Re:seems to be a german thing Fri, 20 April 2007 14:06
Just one more thing....................... You're not the only one that loses internet connections. I think it happens daily to everyone on the site. Have a little more patience, dear Baron. So what if the bot takes over.............bleh !
      
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Re:seems to be a german thing Fri, 20 April 2007 15:09
DrakeStorm wrote on Fri, 20 April 2007 12:55

Do people think he is lying?


As far as I read, nobody expressed any doubt that Barons postings are based on facts.

DrakeStorm wrote on Fri, 20 April 2007 12:55

Its funny how in response to almost all of Baron's posts, people just comment on the 'sensational' portions and ignore the underlying issue(s).


What is the underlying issue?

1. Baron expects, that no one plays the bot while he has tech problems.

I understand that among Tops there are special standards. Down here among "normal" players, I see a huge variety of manners. That's why I asked for some guidance from those who know something.

As for me, I'm very excited when I happen to play a Top. I gladly remember plays against CoolJ and Goscha in every detail. I lose most of these, but I'd rather be butt-kicked by them than anything else in T2R. Only a real win is even better. That's why I would never accept a bot replacement in such plays. I just want to express my appreciation to Tops who open their games to the public.

2. Baron expresses disappointment, that others didn't fullfill his expectation, and he requests an answer.

I strongly support, that Baron deserves an answer, what ever it will be.

Max
      
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Re:seems to be a german thing Fri, 20 April 2007 15:25
Dear Max,

My reply to Baron is I will wait for him, for however long it takes. I just hope he is considerate enough to play a guest.

xoxo
      
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Re:seems to be a german thing Fri, 20 April 2007 16:57
Hi

nico06 schrieb am Fri, 20 April 2007 10:06

And don't forget, all french people are uppity frogs Rolling Eyes


Peter de Zeeuw schrieb am Fri, 20 April 2007 10:51


And don't forget that Dutch people are always high every day.



Nayeli schrieb am Fri, 20 April 2007 09:44


But hey, you're so right: all german people are cheater - all finnish people are cold as ice, all spanish people are slauthering 10.000 steers every day and all american guys are paranoid!



Finally more and more people are no longer afraid to tell the truth! But one correction, Nayeli, you mean all AUSTRIAN people are cheater. Austrians and germans are frequently confused.

Now for the thread topic:

Theory 1: The german conspiracy.
This is a good one because we all know that the one and only conspiracy is the Bavarian Illuminati (for american readers: it's a common mistake that Germany is part of Bavarian, Bavarian is - pity - part of Germany). But it is not possible because i did not start this conspiracy, i am not involved and i have absolutely no clue about it. And this is impossible. QED.

Theory 2: It's a technical issue.
One post ago, this would be a good theory. But after Kolmo's mail to DoW they decided to pay me the webcard, hired me for programming and designing their next major release "Advanced Candyland: Railroad combat" and so this is impossible. EVERYTHING here works fine and without any problems! QED.

Theory 3: Nobody likes the Baron.
That is true, but it is no reason to play versus the Bot (it's sweeter to beat the Baron himself instead the formerly stupid but now brilliant bot). QED.

Theory 4: The Baron is lying.
As a matter of fact this is the only possible solution. I don't know any human that is capable of disabling lying down forever. And remember we saw a picture of the Baron SITTING (very near to lying).

bye, erps
      
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Re:seems to be a german thing Sat, 21 April 2007 01:46
Oh Peter,

what have you done?

The whole day I had only one song in my head....
"I believe I can fly, I believe I can touch the sky.... Confused

Maybe I was singing the national anthem of the dutchies Laughing

      
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Re:seems to be a german thing Sat, 21 April 2007 07:58
To Monika, (who lately seems to be first in line to attack me. That's ok dear, you do whatever makes you feel good).

1. I am not paranoid. I have not said once everyone is out to get me or even every german player is out to get me. I have simply stated what has happened on 3 occasions and that in my personal opinion I don't care of the behavior. Not because I consider it cheating but because I consider it RUDE and disrespectful.

2.Not understanding why someone makes a big deal of it is pretty much the same thing as saying "I don't think it was a big deal". I am sorry you do not understand that.

3. She could have ansswered if I pm'd her eh? Since you claim she does not understand english then who would that be? She said NOTHING when I asked her over and over again why she continued. I know she knows some english, more than enough to understand what I was saying and more than enough to apologize or offer to cancel. The argument otherwise holds no water. I waited for an apology after mine and got squat. So even if I HAD pm'd I guess I would have gotten the same thing eh?

4. You may think I'm miffed about support all you want. Wouldn't be the first time you were wrong and won't be the last. I'm miffed about people playing on after I am botted. Amazing that anyone could not see that. I was miffed much MORE BEFORE the outpouring of support was I not? So your argument on this once again holds no water.

5. And lastly about the points. You just don't get it do you? I really don't care much about the points, I lose games all the time. It's the BEHAVIOR that pisses me off. The lack of common respect for other players. I rarely play guests because I KNOW they will continue on vs. a bot, not because I am afraid for my points. I have offerred over and over to play 11 games vs. ANYONE here. Any of the top 20 who took me up on that (Nando excluded) would certianly take more of my points eh? I don't care. Treat me with disrespect when I would have waited for you and I don't like it.

I hope that helps you out.

To Nay,

1. You got it wrong dear. They are not stupid posts about Germans ( spag) but rather Posts About Stupid Germans. (pasg)

2. And I never once claimed it was all germans did I? Perhaps you should either read more closely or learn to read better. I don't think all germans are cheaters but nearly every cheater that has been exposed has been german. That is a FACT. Not a guess, not my opinion, a FACT. So deal with it. That is what I said, not that all germans are cheaters. I hope that helps you understand. It's too bad that all 3 players who pulled this crap happened to be German, most of my German friends would NEVER continue on vs. the bot when playing not only me but nearly any other player. The only exceptions I see is when they know someone left just because they got blocked and not because of a loss of connection. There is NO top player who would think I would EVER leave a game without saying something.

It is your fairy tale world where you make absolutes where there were none there and turn things around. All bananas are fruits I said, YOU said I was saying all fruits are bananas. Please don't try to twist or change what I say so that you can feel better about defending undefendable behavior.

Max Headroom - It is very UNCOMMON to play on vs. the bot when your opponent was a top 200 player. This is mostly because top 200 players do not get mad and leave when blocking happens or leave games for any reason unless they need to and they explain in the rare case that happens. Most tops know each other and treat each other with respect. Playing on vs. a bot when a top player loses a connection is like kicking the ball into the goal repeatedly after the goalie has a heart attack and is trying to recover.

Drake - I am amazed at several things. One you actually didn't just decided to do some sarcastic post about me, and two that you made a very good valid point when it had to do with me. Too bad others are too blinded by supporting players of their nationality to see logic. You are absolutely correct Drake. Why are all these great players who are concentrating on HOW I said something and not WHAT happened? I can tell you one thing. If it had been thekid who played on vs. a bot during a match with a german player the pitchforks would have been out! You don't defend someone's behavior people just because they happen to speak the same language as you. thekid and I like each other for the most part but go back and look and see that we have BOTH called each other on the carpet (that means said what was true regardless of our nationality or friendships or anything) more than once. When kid gets a bit too over the top, I am not afraid to say something, when I start to get a little out of control with different i.d's kid aint afraid to say something either. Do some of you think it is amazing that we can have different opinions and express them strongly and yet we can still respect each other? Seems it is amazing to some of you.

LizzyLou, The main reason tops usually only play other tops is because MOST of us HATE to continue on vs. a bot and when you block many of the lower ranked players they swear at your, delay the game or leave. They also just aren't as challenging as games and MOST of us want a challenging game, not just to win vs. a poor player or a bot. Lastly we like games of skill and not of luck. Low ranked players tend to try to win the game through lucky draws. Therefore they will win 1 out of 4 games or so. When you win 3 games through skill win 3 pts and then lose a fourth because the weak player drew lucky tickets at the end and you lose 6 pts, it's just kinda stupid. Yes there are those who points matter a lot to. It is why several of the top 10 won't play me. But it's still stupid to win 3, lose 1 and lose double the points you just won in the 3 games.

I however will play you LizzyLou regardless of your rating for the simple fact you said you would wait and show honor. I will even try to help you become a better player if you wish.

Erps. Your post is actually quite funny! Would be even funnier for us Americans with a few word changes, but still rather amusing.

These are a FEW of the Germans I have no problem playing and who I do not think are stupid or cheaters or rude.

Shamogi
Mudda
Womble
Erps
WhiteTrain
Goscha
2Cutter
Cristiolpho (or whatever Adriano goes by nowadays)
Hecki
Rolli
Thad
Masimo
Bats
Razamanaz
Wostwuirst
Streetcar
Tofra
Saurus
Imotep
sebbo
Blackfox
pepetver
juwijuwi

and many many many more. Once again I guess I better explain just for all those who WANT to misunderstand anything I say. Just because I am saying these on this list are not stupid or cheaters or rude DOES NOT MEAN that anyone not on this list IS considered that. (oh yeah and I'm sure one or two of you might not be german, sorry about that. o.k. I checked most of them and had to remove a few. How could ANYONE not think Pacmon was German? With that big beer stein in his hand? Sorry my finnish friend Smile)

And Peter, I wish I lived in the Netherlands so I could be high all the time.

Baron



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Re:seems to be a german thing Sat, 21 April 2007 09:14
I almost can't believe i am about to do this, and it is very hard for me to make my fingers type " i agree with drakey ", barons foot being being crow barred out from behind his tonsils aside.What is our community view on playing on against a bot ?
I for 1 thought all of us regulars didn't play on against bots in 2 player. I play a lot of multi games these days and yes we do play on against bots , but only after all players us up their alotted time each turn.( 1 question to those who do know such things do we get 2 mins a turn now and if yes does drawing a card mean i can wait nearly 2 mins draw a card and wait nearly 2 more mins more or is it 2 mins in total from the start of my turn ?)that side track out of the way,then if the player is not back the bot makes a turn and we wait again and so on.Isn't this the sort of game community we want to have ?I do think maybe a little bit of the subtley of the english language maybe gets lost in the translation and some of barons posts have been taken the wrong way.Erps post being a good example it is very very close to being very funny but some of the words used have a different meaning to us who only speak english( no crititism of your language skills, i can maybe count the words i now from other languages on 1 hand )
      
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Re:seems to be a german thing Sat, 21 April 2007 10:16
Le message n'a pas de contenu

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Re:seems to be a german thing Sat, 21 April 2007 10:18
Erps has been so good to translate into German at times let me try to use the English words that I know he was trying to say. And yes Erps it is dang funny once you understand what you were trying to say exactly.

Theory 1: The german conspiracy.
This is a good one because we all know that the one and only conspiracy is the Bavarian Illuminati (for american readers: it's a common mistake that Germany is part of Bavarian, Bavarian is - pity - part of Germany). But it is not possible because i did not start this conspiracy, i am not involved and i have absolutely no clue about it. And this is impossible. QED.

Theory 1: It's a German Conspiracy
This is a good one because we all know that the one and only true conspiracy is the Bavarian Illuminati. (for you moronic one language, non history knowing, geographically challenged readers: it's a common mistake that Germany is a part of Bavaria, Bavaria is actually a part of Germany: such a pity). This theory is not possible however since I am not involved and I know nothing about it, therefore that in itself makes it impossible. QED


Theory 2: It's a technical issue.
One post ago, this would be a good theory. But after Kolmo's mail to DoW they decided to pay me the webcard, hired me for programming and designing their next major release "Advanced Candyland: Railroad combat" and so this is impossible. EVERYTHING here works fine and without any problems! QED.


Theory 2: It's a technical issue
One post ago, this would have been a good theory. But after Kolmo's brilliant e-mail to the fine folks at DoW, the wonderfully generous, kind and intelligent, hard working DoW-ers decided to give me unlimited webcards and are paying me outrageous consulting fees for programming and designing their next major release "Advanced Candyland: No blocking railroad combat." And so this is also impossible. EVERYTHING here (sorry erps don't know what you mean by here) works fine and without any problems! QED


Theory 3: Nobody likes the Baron.
That is true, but it is no reason to play versus the Bot (it's sweeter to beat the Baron himself instead the formerly stupid but now brilliant bot). QED.

Theory 3: Nobody likes the Baron
This is true, but it is no reason to play versus the Bot. (It's much sweeter to beat the Baron himself instead of the formerly stupid but now brilliant bot). QED


Theory 4: The Baron is lying.
As a matter of fact this is the only possible solution. I don't know any human that is capable of disabling lying down forever. And remember we saw a picture of the Baron SITTING (very near to lying).

Theory 4: The Baron is lying
The fact of the matter is that this is the only possible solution. I don't know of any human alive that is capable of not lying down at some time. And remember, we have all seen a picture of the Baron SITTING (he was halfway to lying right there! You all saw it and it cannot be denied!).

bye
Erps

bye
Erpsie poo.
      
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Re:seems to be a german thing Sat, 21 April 2007 11:43
Humm, what school grade would you award to erps? Let's say a D or E?

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Re:seems to be a german thing Sat, 21 April 2007 11:58
Now we're slowly approaching the thread subject. This is a German thing. No one else speaks so weak English so reckless. Glad we couldn't hear erps saying that in - wait a minute he lives in Frankfurt - say Hassonian dialect. Oh my goooood ... Crying or Very Sad
      
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Re:seems to be a german thing Sat, 21 April 2007 12:04
I'm still laughting. Baron, you are phantastic! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing ROFLMAO!
      
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Re:seems to be a german thing Sat, 21 April 2007 12:04
Hi

Yes, yes! Doesn't matter, the spirit of the message is the same Rolling Eyes .

The whole discussion of playing on versus bot is nearly as old as the blocking discussion. Of course there are some (unspoken? not really, i started a complete thread once) basic guidelines for players above some skill level. But it's useless. Don't play the players involved anymore but don't start a thread calling them out especially if they have a good reputation (this is some sort of dilemma for a lot of people). I had a similar case not long ago. A player opening a game with the usual topXXX pwXXX and playing versus the bot AFTER i said to them that i have problems and have to restart and rejoin! And this is really the worst case scenario compared to your cases...

But one thing bothers me all the time, this "national" solidarity of most people. If you dare to criticize an American it's for sure that others will support him (same for other countries). I don't care. Did i support Nando? So all recriminations should be based on facts and not on the country of the player. Oh, i did this too? Yes, but these posts were always meant sarcastic.

If someone would attack in any thread SKM i am pretty sure i would stand up for him. Attack Nando now, that's okay for me Smile

And finally, i like you Baron, but i really have problems believing the 3-times-in-short-period-bot-thing, especially the U32 case. That's what i meant with dilemma. I will ask her for her version.

bye, erps
      
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Re:seems to be a german thing Sat, 21 April 2007 13:45
Now i think u missed the point of my post max , i was only using erps as a example because his english is so good.Now i did have a multi game with the baron,drakey and wuonex earlier in which the baron got botted (so of course we played on as quick as possible)only joking, on our screens it showed him as there and the bot replaced him for 2 seconds at best , but in reality the baron was gone for nearly a half minute . A few moves in a 2player i would think.So i could see if this happened before how 1 of your opponents might not notice.So perhaps both players are right ?, as to the bot playing a dumb move, well that would be hard to tell the difference from some of our games we have played
      
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Re:seems to be a german thing Sat, 21 April 2007 14:35
Sorry, no offense meant. I had a teacher who really tried to teach me all the elegance and sublty of good English and even if I find that very appealing and made some progress, I'm still a novice in that. English is extremely hard to learn. All that and Barons post is propably not funny at all. So I simply don't know why my pants got wet while reading that stuff. Muahaha. Very Happy Comes back, sorry ...

As for the bot playing. I did my homework and looked for the etiquette posts. Ok, I can adapt to most of that. But it is really hard to find and it takes a lot of time to find the good parts among distracting comments. Still, I find few common sense but different opinions. Doesn't sound like a generally accepted netiquette.

So I request, could somebody write down a condensed summary, with only points, that most players agreed upon and ask DOW to place that in a sticky thread for everybody to read? I believe, Baron would be perfect for this, given his tendency to accuracy and correctness. I offer to complete it with a perfect German translation.

Max
      
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Re:seems to be a german thing Sat, 21 April 2007 16:28
Baron_ schrieb am Sat, 21 April 2007 07:58



These are a FEW of the Germans I have no problem playing and who I do not think are stupid or cheaters or rude.

...
pepetver
...




Hi Baron,

I dont want to disappoint you Razz .., but Pepetever is a Belgian... Wink


and I am really sad not to be on your list myself.. hmm Confused ... maybe i should play you more Rolling Eyes

Cu in the lobby Baron

Nanni Smile
      
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Re:seems to be a german thing Sun, 22 April 2007 01:55
whoops! Sorry Nanni, I knew I would miss some, that is why I said these are a FEW of the germans I will still play with. I'm sure there are lots more.


Wow Erps, you actually think I am not telling what happened? Well let me explain a few things my friend. It has only been lately that I have had to rely on someone elses wireless connection. I rarely lost my connections before.

And spud a question for you. I understand times when you get botted but the computer does not show a bot taking over. This is why I could not get into the games again when I try to rejoin, it shows that I am still there. However spud the time you were waiting while it showed me still there I never made another move other than choosing tickets right?????? Only AFTER the bot actually shows up does it start making moves for me. I know this has not happened in all cases (I have read previous threads) but I think that is what has happened lately. Otherwise how would you know I was even gone and to wait for me spud if the bot didn't come till the last 2 seconds? I think I lost my connection and before the bot actually replaced me after the 2 minute time there was no bot to take over and play moves.

Erps speaks really good English I think. There are just small subtlies that only native speakers can put in writing. I'm not even a great English writer but I could tell what Erps was trying to say (some would not be able to unless they read it closely) and thought I'd just help a little.

I do not support all Americans Erps. Ask me about our corrupt members of congress or the senate, ask me about big business and the harm they are doing to the enviroment and tossing away the future in the name of big profits now. And when an American player screws up here be it cheating or pumping their score or playing on vs. a bot I'll go after them too. \

As I said, it's not all Germans and I'm sorry it implied that. Seems the ego maniac Baron understands how to apologize and yet not one of the three players who know what they did do. hmmm....

I give Erps a B+ in English and myself a D- in any other language.

Did I mention the Baroness took 4 years of German in high school and then came to Germany for 3 weeks to travel and visit after?

Peace to all and know that I The Baron will wait for you if you lose your connection during a game, no matter who you are.

Baron
      
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Re:seems to be a thing SOME germans have done Sun, 22 April 2007 02:08
Well baron we wern't waiting for u , wounex just happened to be taking a long time to pick his or her tickets. So was just a coincidence we were chatting and u just happened to drop out at that time , we did not know u were gone until 2 secs before u reappeared and told us that u had been typing things ,which we did not see and that it took u a long time to get back in
      
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Re:seems to be a thing SOME germans have done Sun, 22 April 2007 07:55
Wu took 2 full minutes to choose tickets??????

Well anyway you said the bot only appeared for less than 2 seconds when I returned. I had thought that at least SOME play had been tried and that it looked like I was just taking a long time to decide what to do (therefore the bot NOT playing since it had not shown as actual bot).

Neither U 32 nor Timo claimed at anytime that they did not see a bot and that it showed my name the whole time they continued. I would think this would be the very first thing they would say if that was the case (even with limited english at the time) and in german to others later.

But I am much less irritated by the rudeness than I once was so I'm moving on I hope.

Peace

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Re:seems to be a german thing Sun, 22 April 2007 17:18
Hi Folks,

Ich habe noch einmal etwas zu sagen. Ich habe betrogen und dafür schäme ich mich.

Ich habe aus dem Cheating nichts gewonnen. Schon vorher, im Januar 2005, war ich bereits (ohne Manipulation) auf Platz 4 vorgerückt. Ich wußte, dass fast alle Top-20-Spieler zu dieser Zeit manipuliert haben und habe nichts dagegen gesagt. Ich hielt das für völlig normal. Deshalb hielt ich es auch für normal, dass ich später selbst diese Methoden angewandt habe. Gleichzeitig war ich zu dieser Zeit einer der wertvollsten Mitglieder der Community. Ich habe durch meine Postings Neulingen geholfen, Spaß auf das Board gebracht und Attraktivität versprüht. Das hat viele neue Spieler angelockt (geliebter Peter!) und sogar außerhalb der Spielgemeinschaft, bei der Presse, kam Interesse auf, was da wohl los sei. Das war mein Baby. Klar, das wäre mit ehrlichem Spiel auch möglich gewesen, aber zu dieser Zeit war mir dieser Aspekt völlig egal.

In meiner Wahrnehmung war es eine Gruppe von erstklassigen amerikanischen/kanadischen Spielern, die die ZuZ-Gemeinde erst zu einem ethisch höherem Standard geführt haben. Ich weiß noch genau, wie thekid, rek und SKMorefield die Führung der Community übernahmen. Es war im März 2005. Auch pilke hat eine wichtige Rolle gespielt. Ich habe nicht dagegen opponiert, sondern diese Gruppe aus ganzem Herzen unterstützt. Ich fand thekids Forderung nach einem sauberen Ranking absolut überzeugend, auch wenn ich mich selbst nicht an diesem Standard messen konnte. Dabei war mir von Anfang an bewußt, dass ich beim Erfolg dieser Gruppe eines Tages auffliegen würde. Das habe ich rek frühzeitig offenbart, in der Hoffnung, er würde mir einen Weg ebnen. Er hat sich immer wie ein Gentleman verhalten, aber diesen Wunsch hat er mir nicht erfüllt.

Mir war klar, das ich nach meiner Enttarnung meinen Account aufgeben würde. Ich habe im Mai 2005 aufgehört zu spielen und keinen Manipulationsversuch mehr unternommen. Ich war weder changedgirl (wie alle wissen) noch stand ich hinter irgend einem anderen verdächtigen Account. Ich habe nur manchmal anonym und unauffällig zum eigenen Vergnügen gespielt, wenn ich es gar nicht mehr ausgehalten habe. Ich verspreche, auch in Zukunft nicht mehr zu manipulieren.

Wenn ich nun wieder die Threads lese fällt mir auf, dass diese Community unter einer großen Angst leidet. Ich führe das auf mein damaliges Verhalten zurück. Die anderen Cheater waren in meinen Augen einfach nur A...r, die enttarnt wurden. Gut so. Aber ich habe gerade wegen meiner Reputation die Gemeinschaft bitter enttäuscht. Gleichzeitig habe ich mich davon gemacht, ohne mich richtig zu entschuldigen. Das blieb immer eine offene Wunde, auf dem Board und bei mir selbst. So hohle ich heute nach, was ich schon vor 2 Jahren hätte tun müssen.

Ich entschuldige mich und bitte um Vergebung.

bye, Zugbegleiterin
      
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Re:seems to be a thing SOME germans have done Sun, 22 April 2007 21:37
Can we get an English translation of this please?

      
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Re:seems to be a thing SOME germans have done Mon, 23 April 2007 00:10
Hi

First i have to add that this single event in TTR may be bigger than the possible reunion of Take That or the second coming of Jesus Smile It's a pity that Zugbegleiterin leaved the community the moment i joined... Okay you paranoids out there Wink Nice theory...

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Translation:

Hi Folks,

I have to say one thing once more. I have deceived and i am ashamed for this.

The cheating was useless for me. In january 2005, before my cheating, i was rank 4 without manipulation. I knew that most top-20-players were manipulating at this time and i didn't say anything against it. I thought it was pretty normal, and so it had no concern to do the same. At the same time i was one of the valuable member of the community. I helped newbies with my postings, added fun to the community and was an attractive character. This allured a lot of new players (beloved Peter!) and aroused public and press interest. It was my baby. This whole thing would have been possible with honest play too, but i didn't care for this aspect.

For my cognition it was a group of first-class american/canadian players who raised the ethic level of the community. I know exactly the moment, thekid, rek and SKM claimed the leadership, it was March 2005. And pilke played an important rule too. I did nothing against it, i supported them wholeheartly. I thought that thekids demand for an absolutely clean ranking was convincing although it did not fit my own standard. And it was clear from the beginning, that the group's success meant that i would have been convicted. I told this rek early and hoped he would put a word in for me. He was always a gentleman but this wish was not satisfied.

It was clear, that the exposure meant the end of my account. I disbanded play in May 2005 and stopped cheating. I was never changedgirl (as all know) nor another suspicios account. I played sometimes anonymous and in secret for fun, because i couldn't bear it. I promise to never cheat again.

After reading some of the threads, i noticed that the community is in great fear and it may be linked to my behaviour. The other cheaters were imho simply a...s and they were revealed. Good. But i disappointed the community because of my high reputation. And i left without real apologize. It was always an open wound for me and the community. And now i catch up on something i had to do 2 years ago.

I apologize and i am asking for forgiveness.

bye, Zugbegleiterin

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Some personal remarks: Deserves forgiveness. And this is not the writing of a woman. Quote: "Gleichzeitig war ich zu dieser Zeit *einer* der wertvollsten Mitglieder der Community." Wink

bye, erps


      
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Zugbegleiterin Tangent Mon, 23 April 2007 01:13
Zug was before my time, but in reading the threads from the beginning, he was a real character (my guess is that Zug is really Felix Durm), and a good player to boot. Zug was a casualty of opening the histories, and deservedly so. Personally, I am nostalgic enough to want all of the old characters back. As for the ethical issue, self-imposed exile seems like a sufficient act of contrition, and all of the avid history watchers will provide adequate checks.

I propose a test: If five of the top 200 players who were active when Zug was around speak in favor, then we grant amnesty, move on and welcome back a wonderful character.
      
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Re:seems to be a thing SOME germans have done Mon, 23 April 2007 02:14
Ah, to admit mistakes, be humble, repentant, and ask forgiveness... would that we all had this same mentality when we do wrong. Zug, this is really what most of us asked for two years ago, no? (that and your account being reset Wink )

For my part I accept Zug's apology and welcome her/him back to the community with open arms. You were an interesting contributor to this forum then and I have no doubt that you will be in the future.

I would ask, however, that you ask DoW to set your account back to 1500. (When Zepra came back some months ago he did a similar thing and DoW obliged.) I think you will be honorable enough to do this, and I have no doubt you have the talent to make it back to the top with ease.

And please, speaking for myself and probably many others, don't bring any personalities besides yourself with you when you come. Frankly, it's just silly and demeans the rest of us who choose to 'come as we are' and play as ourselves, real people who enjoy gaming. You were one of the first to do this but I know you haven't been the last since then. We don't need anymore if it, and that goes for any of the other yahoos who practice this on a routine basis.

Best,
SKM





      
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Re:seems to be a thing SOME germans have done Mon, 23 April 2007 04:31
Honestly, I enjoyed the ttr community 2 years ago way more than now, let's get those old ones back and we may have some refreshment here!
Hm, maybe get also the old ranking system back, you need a personal assitant nowadays in order to be up to date who is where in what. So I don't even bother to check.

BTW, if Zug gets to be back as Zug, my comment will be ' hallo und viel spass'!




      
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Re:seems to be a thing SOME germans have done Mon, 23 April 2007 04:46
Hey Nando this is how you do it.

Welcome back.
      
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Re:seems to be a thing SOME germans have done Mon, 23 April 2007 05:16
thekid wrote on Sun, 22 April 2007 22:46

Hey Nando this is how you do it.

Welcome back.


Indeed Nando it is.


But I will have to disagree with my American colleague SKM (oh no Erps! I'm not showing national solidarity!)

Come back with whatever personality you want (in my opinion). Trust me people, THE BARON was much more interesting than I am (I am sure many of you have realized this).

I wish Rek and Pilke and many others would come back. I know I was not around back then but I imagine I'm one of a handful that has read EVERY post from the first year or so. And probably the only one that has done that who did not start this game early on.

So zug, were you Black Fox? I still am wondering which player is behind our friend the fox.

And Zug, I must say I am honored that you came back in style and announced it in one of my silly threads. now....Pilke come back!!!

I have wanted to meet the player voted nicest person in the community for some time. It seems you were actually in the lobby during the first week I ever played this game. But I was uninformed and foolish then (as oppossed to more informed and foolish now Very Happy) and my behavior may have driven you off. I wonder if thekid remembers that first time we met also. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

Peace my brothers and sisters,

Baron

p.s. now go answer 30 questions friend Zug!

[Mis à jour le: Mon, 23 April 2007 05:17]

      
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Re:seems to be a thing SOME germans have done Mon, 23 April 2007 05:41
Of course I do Baron, I remember everything. That was the last time I've talked to her. I checked the other day to see if she played any GOF and it looks like she hasn't been back since that day. She was my favorite person to play against and talk to. Don't forget I came in 7th in that same favorite player poll. Of course there were only 7 people in the community then.
      
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Re:seems to be a thing SOME germans have done Mon, 23 April 2007 13:40
Baron, if you recall from the last threads Zug participated in, he/she was creating other accounts and not only playing them (which was her main offense), but acting like those were real people in her posts. This is the kind of juvenile stuff I'm talking about.

Having a 'personality', especially when everyone knows it is not really you but you having fun with it, is OK IMO. Peter is probably not as brash in real life as he came across to us (ok maybe he is, but you get the point. Wink ). Having more than one 'personality' and having conversations with yourself on this forum, is definitely not OK, and, frankly, patronizes the rest of us.


SKM

[Mis à jour le: Mon, 23 April 2007 13:41]

      
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Re:seems to be a thing SOME germans have done Mon, 23 April 2007 16:04
Wow we have a TTR soap-opera here.... I wonder if one could make money with this crap.

To have multiple accounts or changing the name every second day is (for me) the same misbehaviour like quitting, playing against the bot if the other one quits, cheating and so on.

So stop whining and start playing, we all have to live with that.

If i would start a thread every time a player plays with different accounts or whatever, i easily would have 1000 postings too.

cheers
sebbo
      
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Re:seems to be a german thing Mon, 23 April 2007 22:04
Baron_ schrieb am Sat, 21 April 2007 07:58


These are a FEW of the Germans I have no problem playing and who I do not think are stupid or cheaters or rude.

Shamogi
Womble
Erps
WhiteTrain
Goscha
2Cutter
Cristiolpho
Hecki
Rolli
Thad
Masimo
Bats
Razamanaz
Wostwuist
Streetcar -> Austrian
Tofra -> Not from this world
Saurus -> Austrian
Imotep
sebbo
Blackfox
pepetver -> Belgium
juwijuwi
Mudda -> From Horny Island Razz



BTW: After last QT I would never ever play open games anymore if its not within a tourney or with very very good friends or multis...

Hello and welcome back Zugbegleiterin, I agree with Scott and accept the excuses...

Mudda

      
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Re:seems to be a thing SOME germans have done Mon, 23 April 2007 22:15
Hi

Speaking of subtle things only native speakers understand (and it's hard to translate): It seems to me that Zug will not come back as Zug or any other major personality. It's only an apologize and a farewell. Maybe i am wrong, but this may be the last post of Zug. And i think we should accept this.

bye, erps
      
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