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I played Air Power 2X in 3 turns Sun, 20 May 2012 08:48
At Red Barricades, I played Air Power on turn 45, then drew Air Power into my hand on my very next turn (47). Shocked I then played Air Power again on turn 49. Their Finest Hour was in my hand the entire time.

The only way I can see this is possible is to have exhausted the deck, reshuffled and started over.

TFH was played for the first time, on the last turn of the game, turn 57, so there was no other reshuffle. I guess when you factor in a few Recon 1 cards, a 60 card deck is about exhausted by then.

I think we should have a new achievement: the requirement being, "Played Air Power twice in 3 turns without TFH having been played in between." Laughing


Turn 45:
http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/en/battle/?id=30 107744#replay:turn=45

Turn 49:
http://www.daysofwonder.com/memoir44-online/en/battle/?id=30 107744#replay:turn=49
      
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Re:I played Air Power 2X in 3 turns Sun, 20 May 2012 09:35
That takes some real skill!! Very Happy

I hope you sent in a Bug Report for this with all of the required information so the crew knows of this bug! Cool
      
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Re:I played Air Power 2X in 3 turns Sun, 20 May 2012 09:49
I don't think it's a bug.
You have 60 cards in the game, and players start with 9 cards in that scenario. That leaves 51 cards in the deck. Him playing it on 45 and drawing it on turn 47 means that the deck was reshuffled after 45 or 46 turns. That means 5 or 6 cards got drawn extra. And the deck contains 6 recon cards that allow an extra draw, and 1 ambush that is played and replaced outside a turn. Neither player is holding any of these cards.
The reason why the dack was not reshuffled after 44 turns is because the axis player probably played 1 or 2 recon cards as air power and didn't get the extra draw.

No bug report needed.
      
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Re:I played Air Power 2X in 3 turns Sun, 20 May 2012 10:45
Wim I think you misinterpret the description of the problem.

The Air Power card was played/drawn 3 times in 6 turns without The Finest Hour card being played.

Allowing for a reshuffle of the deck Kelly's Hero should have have seen the Air Power card no more than twice. The second time the Air Power card was drawn was a bug in my view.
      
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Re:I played Air Power 2X in 3 turns Sun, 20 May 2012 10:46
True, Quit2...maybe it was because the deck was reshuffled. Very Happy

We should still be sending in Bug Reports, though, any time we aren't sure about something. With the games being saved to look at later, it makes it really easy for the crew to check for the bug and either confirm that it's a problem or discover that indeed the deck was reshuffled.

When in doubt...send in a Bug Report! Smile

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Re:I played Air Power 2X in 3 turns Sun, 20 May 2012 10:50
Phread wrote on Sun, 20 May 2012 12:45

Wim I think you misinterpret the description of the problem.

The Air Power card was played/drawn 3 times in 6 turns without The Finest Hour card being played.


Actually, I think the Air Power card was played 2 times in 3 turns...so it would be possible. Very Happy
      
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Re:I played Air Power 2X in 3 turns Sun, 20 May 2012 12:33
Phread wrote on Sun, 20 May 2012 10:45

Wim I think you misinterpret the description of the problem.

The Air Power card was played/drawn 3 times in 6 turns without The Finest Hour card being played.

Allowing for a reshuffle of the deck Kelly's Hero should have have seen the Air Power card no more than twice. The second time the Air Power card was drawn was a bug in my view.


After watching the replay of those turns, I saw the air power card was played on turn 45, it was drawn again at the end of turn 47 and played again on turn 49.
      
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Re:I played Air Power 2X in 3 turns Sun, 20 May 2012 12:38
Quit2 wrote on Sun, 20 May 2012 14:33

Phread wrote on Sun, 20 May 2012 10:45

Wim I think you misinterpret the description of the problem.

The Air Power card was played/drawn 3 times in 6 turns without The Finest Hour card being played.

Allowing for a reshuffle of the deck Kelly's Hero should have have seen the Air Power card no more than twice. The second time the Air Power card was drawn was a bug in my view.


After watching the replay of those turns, I saw the air power card was played on turn 45, it was drawn again at the end of turn 47 and played again on turn 49.


Yep...like the title says, played two times in 3 turns! Cool
      
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Re:I played Air Power 2X in 3 turns Sun, 20 May 2012 12:38
Okay my error - that happens.

So this may not be a bug?
      
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Re:I played Air Power 2X in 3 turns Sun, 20 May 2012 12:39
The AIR POWER card had no way of coming back into play without a reshuffle - and there was no direct reshuffle created by the TFH card. However, if the cards ran out, the bot itself could probably reshuffle without indicating it had done so.

If this is so, it might be good to have direct knowledge of any reshuffle. (Things to add to the game display). When you are playing face-to-face you always KNOW when there is a reshuffle and are able to adapt your strategy accordingly.

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Re:I played Air Power 2X in 3 turns Sun, 20 May 2012 12:40
rasmussen81 wrote on Sun, 20 May 2012 10:46

True, Quit2...maybe it was because the deck was reshuffled. Very Happy

We should still be sending in Bug Reports, though, any time we aren't sure about something. With the games being saved to look at later, it makes it really easy for the crew to check for the bug and either confirm that it's a problem or discover that indeed the deck was reshuffled.

When in doubt...send in a Bug Report! Smile


With no TFH played and all recons and ambush played, the deck was to be reshuffled between turn 44 and 50, depending on how many recons were played as air power. We can look up to see how the recons were played to remove all doubt. So the player can remove all doubt before deciding if a report is needed or not. I think this is a fine example of how we can help the Dow team. I'd rather have them fix a real bug than have them spend 10 minutes on this thing if it is no bug.

Does anyone know when the deck is supposed to be reshuffled? Immediately after the last card is drawn, of just before a card is to be drawn? (the difference is that in the second case, there is one extra card added to the discard pile before reshuffle)
      
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Re:I played Air Power 2X in 3 turns Sun, 20 May 2012 12:41
stevens wrote on Sun, 20 May 2012 12:39

Looks like a definite BUG to me. The AIR POWER card had no way of coming back into play without a reshuffle - and there was no reshuffle.

There was probably a reshuffle due to an empty deck.
      
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Re:I played Air Power 2X in 3 turns Sun, 20 May 2012 12:49
Quit2 wrote on Sun, 20 May 2012 06:41

stevens wrote on Sun, 20 May 2012 12:39

Looks like a definite BUG to me. The AIR POWER card had no way of coming back into play without a reshuffle - and there was no reshuffle.

There was probably a reshuffle due to an empty deck.

Yes, I rewrote my post after coming to that conclusion myself. However, it would be BEST to know when this happens to make the game play more like in FACE-TO-FACE.

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Re:I played Air Power 2X in 3 turns Sun, 20 May 2012 12:50
I made the count:

51 cards in deck at start of the game. (60 - opening hands of 5 and 4)
6 extra cards drawn due to 1 ambush and 5 recons (1 recon played as air power)
This means that after the draw on turn 45, the deck was empty.

Before the card on turn 46 was drawn, the deck was reshuffled (I don't know if the card played on turn 46 was added to the reshuffled deck or not).

It is entirely possible to draw the air power again on turn 47.

It is no bug.
      
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Re:I played Air Power 2X in 3 turns Sun, 20 May 2012 12:52
stevens wrote on Sun, 20 May 2012 12:49

Quit2 wrote on Sun, 20 May 2012 06:41

stevens wrote on Sun, 20 May 2012 12:39

Looks like a definite BUG to me. The AIR POWER card had no way of coming back into play without a reshuffle - and there was no reshuffle.

There was probably a reshuffle due to an empty deck.

Yes, I rewrote my post after coming to that conclusion myself. However, it would be BEST to know when this happens to make the game play more like in FACE-TO-FACE.

If you want this, you can make a feature request to have the number of cards left in the draw deck somewhere on the screen. It might be especially useful in the scenario with a sudden death win condition on the empty deck.
      
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Re:I played Air Power 2X in 3 turns Sun, 20 May 2012 21:04
Just to be clear, I don't believe it is a bug - just very improbable. Thanks, Quit2, for doing the math for us!

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