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Re:2nd Tournament! Tue, 31 May 2005 15:03
thekid wrote on Tue, 31 May 2005 08:10

Pilke don't drop out. If these people really aren't any good they will lose early. I'm willing to bet they'll be out before you would get to play them. And I think you will be there as you are the best player, and hardest to get longest train from, that I have played here.



I must agree with Pilke here. While I think Wernerous should be included in the tourney, his seeding should be dropped to reflect where he would be in the ratings if he had not played so many games against Kat.

      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Tue, 31 May 2005 16:06
If the tournament system depends so much on the initial ratings, isn't the system flawed to begin with?

Or,

There is a current ranking system. It's not perfect and allows cheating. The suggestion to make case-by-case arrangements is dangerous. Who is to say that someone is a cheater, and what penalty that calls for? The consensual mob?

You can try to convince DOW to actually change the scores (and the ratings) of potential cheaters, but you should accept the official ranking as it is, because an alternative ranking is hardly valid.

Or,

How about not expecting perfect initial conditions? It's only a game.
      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Tue, 31 May 2005 16:24
Pilke

- please stay -

and if it is only to prove how good you are. And you are phantastic - I always enjoy our games. Let the others learn from great strategies, flexibility and a great player.

Smile

      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Tue, 31 May 2005 16:34
Pilke!

Like Womble already said!

It wouldn't be the same if you don't take part in this tournament.

Thad
      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Tue, 31 May 2005 16:49
redPEPPER wrote on Tue, 31 May 2005 10:06

If the tournament system depends so much on the initial ratings, isn't the system flawed to begin with?


How else would you suggest the tournament be seeded?

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There is a current ranking system. It's not perfect and allows cheating. The suggestion to make case-by-case arrangements is dangerous. Who is to say that someone is a cheater, and what penalty that calls for? The consensual mob?



There is solid evidence, both from his game history and and the posting of his friend Angel6, that although Wernerous might not have intended to cheat, he displayed actions that resulted in cheating. Why can't we make case-by-case arrangements? A few people cheat and most people do not. Why shoudn't the few who cheat be treated differently?

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You can try to convince DOW to actually change the scores (and the ratings) of potential cheaters, but you should accept the official ranking as it is, because an alternative ranking is hardly valid.

Or,

How about not expecting perfect initial conditions? It's only a game.



Hopefully DoW will lower his rating, but there are steps that Wernerous can take to make things right even if they do not. I think Wernerous means well and will take these steps.

Yes, it IS just a game, but why not do the best we can to make things fair when possible? This is a privately organized tournament, so Rek can seed at his discretion. He has chosen to make the rankings his base for seeding, but there is nothing that prevents him from giving the fellow participants a sense of justice by bumping a 'cheater' to a lower seeding.


SKM
      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Tue, 31 May 2005 18:26
SKMorefield écrit le Tue, 31 May 2005 16:49

How else would you suggest the tournament be seeded?

I don't suggest the tournament to be seeded differently, I'm only thinking that it's ultimately the tournament matches that should count. The original seeding's impact should remain marginal. If it does not, there is a problem with the tournament system.

There are alternatives to direct elimination that may be less dependent on the seeding. This tournament is direct elimination and should remain so, but if there are concerns regarding seeding, maybe in future tournaments a few qualification rounds of another system could lower the impact of seeding.

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There is solid evidence, both from his game history and and the posting of his friend Angel6, that although Wernerous might not have intended to cheat, he displayed actions that resulted in cheating. Why can't we make case-by-case arrangements? A few people cheat and most people do not. Why shoudn't the few who cheat be treated differently?

Do the suspected cheaters have the opportunity to defend themselves? What judge makes the final call? Who decides the amount of the penalty? Taking action requires authority. I recognize DOW's authority on this question. Actions taken by other players are objectable, imho.

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Hopefully DoW will lower his rating, but there are steps that Wernerous can take to make things right even if they do not. I think Wernerous means well and will take these steps.

Yes, that's another possibility: the culprit takes volunteer action.

Quote:

Yes, it IS just a game, but why not do the best we can to make things fair when possible?

We should, indeed, but not at all costs. If it's so much trouble that it's not fun anymore, shouldn't we forget it and move on instead? I'm not saying this is the case here but I'm concerned about the drama. When people threaten to leave the game if we don't have things their way, maybe they're taking things too seriously.

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This is a privately organized tournament, so Rek can seed at his discretion.

He has authority. Hopefully he doesn't abuse it at the expense of the tournie's credibility.

      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Tue, 31 May 2005 19:34
redPEPPER wrote on Tue, 31 May 2005 19:26

I'm not saying this is the case here but I'm concerned about the drama. When people threaten to leave the game if we don't have things their way, maybe they're taking things too seriously.

It is just that I don't and I won't accept unfairness. And what fun is a ranking game, if I compete from the place with a player who gets free points when ever he wants. So some think people shouldn't watch rank, but I do and I enjoyed the ranking game too Smile I am sure there comes better players than I, who will take my place some day and it should be that way. But I don't want to lose to a unfair player. I don't appreciate those people, and I don't have to spend any time playing with them. It is my free time, not yours redPEPPER.

Tournament can do fine without me playing. I am not that good.
But I am proud to be fair Smile

So I do what I enjoy. I follow the tournament and keep thumbs up to the nice fellow players.

I promised earlier to rek, that I will play the tournament, if the unfairness of score of Wernerus is acknowledged. So I will play in that case.

Thanks thekid, SKM, womble, thäddaus and others for the nice words and support.

[Mis à jour le: Tue, 31 May 2005 19:43]

      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Tue, 31 May 2005 22:39
Pilke please play. There is really no way to determine what their fair seeding should be right now. So either they shouldn't be allowed in (then have them play 50 games or whatever to gettto a fair rating and then play in the next one), or they are seeded where they are. I think they should stay and if they aren't any good they will be exposed early. And you should play too, you will go far.
      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Tue, 31 May 2005 23:11
Sorry but my english is not perfect. First thanks that is it possible that i can play the tournament.
For the case that some player has a problem with this i´m sorry!
I like to play different games like chess or bridge and Zug is just a funny game i can play on the computer.
I think the main thing on playing is just to have fun so we should play and laugh .....
      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Tue, 31 May 2005 23:28
Katzenfrau écrit le Tue, 31 May 2005 23:11

Sorry but my english is not perfect. First thanks that is it possible that i can play the tournament .
For the case that some player has a problem with this i´m sorry!
I like to play different games like chess or bridge and Zug is just a funny game i can play on the computer.
I think the main thing on playing is just to have fun so we should play and laugh .....


Who wrote that post ??????? Rolling Eyes

If it's wernerus, it means he goes on using katzenfrau's account Shocked Shocked
      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Tue, 31 May 2005 23:40
Yes, the problem is if i use the computer the last user (in this time it was catwoman) automatically signed in .. so i had to close the account and sign again. But i think the only problem is when i play with the other account.
You can believe it or not i haven´t played the last weeks with another account.
      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Wed, 01 June 2005 01:19
Rek,

If you still need players, I would like to join.
If not, I will understand.


      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Wed, 01 June 2005 01:33
I've changed my mind based on Wernerus's last post. No cheaters allowed. I'm not sure all four accounts aren't his. That's my opinion, disagree if you will. I say let them show that they are clean, then play next time. Of course this won't stop them from playing all four accounts and having multiple entries in future tournaments, we can deal with that aspect later. But for now I say no to all of them.
      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Wed, 01 June 2005 03:05
Please please play Pilke!!

The tournament won't be the same for the rest of us if you're missing (yes, I know that's selfish).

I think redpepper talks a great deal of sense. If the seeding system is not "accurate", hopefully that shouldn't matter much anyway, and if it did the whole idea of a tournament is flawed.

Ultimately you can only win a 32 player tournament by winning 5 matches. If someone happens to get an easy game in their first round, they will still have to win 4 difficult games. If there are people here who have "cheated", they won't last long. By the time we get to the last 8, eveyone will have had to have defeated at least one really good opponent.

It's not a perfect world, but it's not a perfect game either. The tickets you draw will probably have more influence than the seeding. The point is, if you're good enough you can overcome either.

Yes there may be cheaters, but we aren't a court of law. A knockout tournament will sort out anyone who isn't as good as their rank.

And by the way, I think the tournament should have a name. Perhaps if this is the 2nd major tournament of the year, it should be Wimbledon! I'm sure there are better suggestions out there!
      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Wed, 01 June 2005 03:18
Confused Here is my question for those who play so many games "against family members". Why play family members on line? Do you not have the board game that you choose to make it so questionable by playing each other on-line all the time? I know the board game takes awhile to set up but really.
I can see playing on line a few times, but all those games? And then without any real opponents in between ... come on.
Have fun seeding this aspect Rek.

Know I am fine no matter what happens. I am just looking forward to fun tournament games, and I sure hope I can get back to above 1600 again. I am so respectful of you who can keep it up there, One loss kills me. I won 4 (one against a top 50) and then lost one and was back to same place.
      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Wed, 01 June 2005 03:59
I think a reason for playing online is the speed aspect of the game, it is much quicker and no clean up. I have to disagree with plcrams, who's to say dady won't be playing katenfrau's account, if there is even a little girl at all. Then this low seed will give ahigh seed a much tougher game than they should. So I: think DOW should punish them all by resetting their score and they should be excluded until they can provide a real ranking.
      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Wed, 01 June 2005 11:04
Pilke, I wish you would play too! I understand you don't want to play cheaters and even though I think you should relax and be less serious about it, I respect your opinion. If it's not fun for you, then by all means don't play! The whole thing should be about fun.

On the other hand I'm not comfortable with the promise that you'd play if Wernerus's score is fixed. Regardless of opinions on how fair your stand is, lobbying does not go in the direction of fairness.

I understand I'm a newbie with a low score and my opinion is probably not worth much to the eyes of the top rankers. Few agree with me (thanks plcrams for the support), several think private measures should be taken against cheaters. Since my position is weak, I look at generalities instead of the specifics of a particular case (so my arguments don't rely on my opinion but on strong principles that stand on their own):


1. If people are going to take a tournament this seriously, it's better to have strong rules from the start than to make them as we go. Now I understand why tjandjahall took so many precautions with the open tournament.


2. Once rules are set, it's always a bad thing to change them afterwards. Two points with that:

Seeding:
By reading this thread again I notice that rek did not specify any rule for seeding! We all assumed it would be based on ranking. There are still several ways to seed: ranking and random are fair (because they don't depend on personal interpretation). "Customized" ranking is not. In order to avoid the ranking argument, random seeding could be chosen (that requires a belief that the original seeding has only a marginal effect on the final outcome)

Disqualification:
rek reserved the right to select players below 1600 or with fewer than 100 at his own discretion. He did not specify any reserve against "cheaters" above 1600.


3. The tournament administrator should be independent. Ideally not a player (though it's possible to protect yourself with VERY strict rules that you blindly apply) and insensitive to player lobbying. Quoting tjandjahall: It's very bad for players to be able to influence the administration of a tournament, for obvious reasons.


Those three general points are basic principles that make fairness a fact rather than an opinion.

All this being said, I personally don't take it that seriously and I'll play no matter what. See you on the slopes Smile
      
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  Re:2nd Tournament! Wed, 01 June 2005 11:14
Hi Rek,

please take me off your tournament.

léachris wrote this magnificent threat about Ranking, pressure and stress, and this made me aware of my own (similar) feelings.

It was very hard and quite stressful for me to get to a ranking of 1748, and even thekid (I just put him on my ignore list, because I get negative feelings by his posts) could see the correctness of my ranking in my history.

So, tournament leads to stress, the forum offends my sensibilities (not deliberately, I asume), therefore I decide it is better for me to stop it now and start playing for fun only.

Good luck everybody,

Michael aka Angel6

PS: I'm looking forward to read analysis of the 2nd tournament. Maybe there will be more blocking than in the first one?!
      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Wed, 01 June 2005 14:04
Dear all,

it is a pity that this tournament is creating so many discussions.

Rek started the organizing and so to my opinion he should take the decisions now. We will never find a mode which pleases everybody and this discussion will then continue forever.

Why don't we simply play and afterwards we will see what could/should be done different for future tournaments and what was an optimal solution.

Rek - I am looking forward to the final list of participants and whom I will play with. I hope and strongly believe that the tournament will bring a lot of fun to all of us.

Thanks for organizing it Smile

womble

      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Wed, 01 June 2005 14:20
I didn't know that so many of you wanted me to play in the tournament. To myself, It was not so big deal if I play or not. I enjoy just watching too. But if you want me to play my internerfriends, I will play!

Let's have fun in the tournament Smile
      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Wed, 01 June 2005 17:03
Angel6 wrote on Wed, 01 June 2005 02:14

Hi Rek,

please take me off your tournament.




Hi Angel6,

The tournament is for fun! So is the ranking system. You can choose how seriously you want to take any of it for yourself. I really would like to have you in the tournament. Clearly you are a good player and your participation would make things that much more interesting!

As for the Wernerus controversy and the tournament, I think it is fair to seed Wernerus below Pilke (in fact at the time I made the first list she was ahead of him). I don't actually think the seedings are that important, we could just as well set the matchups randomly. I hope Wernerus will play too!

So Angel6 -- I hope you'll reconsider. I'll wait another day to set the final seedings so that you have a chance to reply.

Rek

      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Wed, 01 June 2005 17:52
rek{} schrieb am Wed, 01 June 2005 17:03

The tournament is for fun! So is the ranking system.

No it is not just for fun. Read the postings!

rek{} schrieb am Wed, 01 June 2005 17:03

I'll wait another day to set the final seedings so that you have a chance to reply.

Rek



That is very nice from you, but not needed. My decison stands.
      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Wed, 01 June 2005 20:36
Ok, here are the matchups for the first round. You play until someone has won four games. Please try to get your first round games played within a week.

Good luck to everyone, and have fun!

thekid (1) BYE
pilke (2) BYE
Wernerus (3) BYE
osamu (4) vs Franck (1391)
womble (5) vs redPEPPER (942)
rek{} (8.) vs Mila (595)
AlexM (10) vs Jac_ (225)
Razamanaz (13) vs Peter de Zeeuw (173)
Anu_ (14) vs tex23bm (141)
br'er rabbit vs (18) changedgirl (123)
SKMorefield (19) vs bassie (116)
Optimus (25) vs Silvertrain (110)
El Soyokaze (28) vs Rode katers (82)
leachris (37) vs onyx puffin (63)
plcrams (42) vs thaddaus (62)
unknowniac (53) vs yaron (56)


      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Wed, 01 June 2005 21:39
So thekid, I and wernerus play at the second round. Then there are 16 players left. Did I understood correctly, that thekid gets to play with the player left with worst rank. I play with second worst ranked player and so on?
      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Wed, 01 June 2005 22:08
pilke wrote on Wed, 01 June 2005 12:39

So thekid, I and wernerus play at the second round. Then there are 16 players left. Did I understood correctly, that thekid gets to play with the player left with worst rank. I play with second worst ranked player and so on?


Yes, that's correct.
      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Thu, 02 June 2005 00:39
Rek

Thanks very much for organising this. Just a suggestion for the remainder of the tournament - I think you should do a full draw now, rather than re-seeding every round. I'd even be happy to do it myself. This is the way almost every tournament runs, and believe it is for the following reason:

just say Franck (for example, rank 1391), beats osamu (rank 4) in the 1st round. If it's reseeded he then has to play thekid in the 2nd round. Then if pilke wins, and he beats thekid, he then has to play Pilke in the next round, a far harder draw than anybody. To win he could have to beat players ranked 1,2,3,4 & 5.

I'm not sure what you were planning to do, but I offer this for people to comment on. And yes, I guess it could affect me personally too, so perhaps it's hard for me to be objective (or seen to be objective!)
      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Thu, 02 June 2005 00:50
Either way is fine with me, but I believe the NFL, the NBA and NHL playoffs now currently reseed every round. The NBA and NHL did not in the past. The NCAA basketball tournament does not.
      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Thu, 02 June 2005 01:11
I agree with plcrams. A direct bracket would still get the job done and not be too harsh on some of the players. Also, to avoid all the top players going against each other in the second or third round, they could be dispersed amongst the rest of the bracket. That way there are both tough and average battles for each side.

--ElSoy
      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Thu, 02 June 2005 03:01
thekid wrote on Thu, 02 June 2005 08:50

Either way is fine with me, but I believe the NFL, the NBA and NHL playoffs now currently reseed every round. The NBA and NHL did not in the past. The NCAA basketball tournament does not.


Sorry, only international sports count as sport. Not these american amusements. Razz

I think tennis is the best system to follow. or matchplay golf. And no, I'm not a massive fan of those 2 sports.

Of course in the football world cup it's a random draw.
      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Thu, 02 June 2005 03:16
The way that would work would be like this:

1 2
32 31

16 15
17 18



8 7
25 26

9 10
24 23



4 3
29 30

5 6
28 27


Winners advance and play through the column, then the 2 column winners meet in the final.


      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Thu, 02 June 2005 03:23
I don't know, I think 11,12,13,14,19,20,21,22 get a raw deal in this format. Wink


[Mis à jour le: Thu, 02 June 2005 03:24]

      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Thu, 02 June 2005 03:38
whooops, forgot to put that bracket of 8 in.
      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Thu, 02 June 2005 04:02
thekid (1) BYE (32)
unknowniac (16) vs yaron (17)
Anu_ (9) vs tex23bm (24)
Razamanaz (Cool vs Peter de Zeeuw (25)

womble (5) vs redPEPPER (28)
Optimus (12) vs Silvertrain (21)
El Soyokaze (13) vs Rode katers (20)
osamu (4) vs Franck (29)



Wernerus (3) BYE(30)
leachris (14) vs onyx puffin (19)
SKMorefield (11) vs bassie (22)
rek{} (6) vs Mila (27)

AlexM (7) vs Jac_ (26)
br'er rabbit (10) vs changedgirl (23)
plcrams (15) vs thaddaus (18)
pilke (2) BYE (31)


As I see it, this would be the seedings. This tourney would flow without re-seeding then, and you would know who you were playing immediately without having to wait for all the first round to be finished. I am against re-seeding since top 3 get a break with a bye anyway.
I laugh at idea that any groupings are "harder". Laughing These are all good players, most of whom I have both lost and occasionally won against, with the exception of thekid. Razz never won yet.
      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Thu, 02 June 2005 04:42
thekid:

ummm.... actually the seedings for the NFL and NBA Playoffs are set in stone. That's why one team is guaranteed homefield advantage throughout the playoffs. If that team is beat, the next highest remaining seed is guaranteed the adv for the playoffs.

Bill
      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Thu, 02 June 2005 04:45
plcrams wrote on Wed, 01 June 2005 20:01

thekid wrote on Thu, 02 June 2005 08:50

Either way is fine with me, but I believe the NFL, the NBA and NHL playoffs now currently reseed every round. The NBA and NHL did not in the past. The NCAA basketball tournament does not.


Sorry, only international sports count as sport. Not these american amusements. Razz

I think tennis is the best system to follow. or matchplay golf. And no, I'm not a massive fan of those 2 sports.

Of course in the football world cup it's a random draw.



Playercrams, define SPort, cause Soccer doesn't count. That's more theatre, those idiots are actors, real athletes bounce back from a hard foul and take command of the game, not dive on the ground, moan at the ref, and ask for a freebie.
      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Thu, 02 June 2005 05:17

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Playercrams, define SPort, cause Soccer doesn't count. That's more theatre, those idiots are actors, real athletes bounce back from a hard foul and take command of the game, not dive on the ground, moan at the ref, and ask for a freebie.


Yeah, not much of a soccer fan myself. But, in terms of world importance, you probably can't go past it.

I think you need healthy international competition and interest. So above the American sports you'd have soccer, athletics, tennis, boxing, rugby, cricket, and probably a few others. And Ticket to Ride!
      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Thu, 02 June 2005 05:49
Tex in the NFL the teams are seeded 1 - 6 in each conference with 1 and 2 getting a bye. So 3 and 6 play one another while 4 and 5 play as well. It depends who wins those games as to who number 1 plays (as 1 will play the worst team left), so in effect they are reseeded.

In the NBA I think they do it that way now too, I'm not an NBA fan, I'm sure they do it in hockey, but with 8 teams, so if the 7 seed beats the 2 seed in the first round, they play the highest seeded team left, which would be the 1 if they beat the 8 seed in the first round.
      
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Re:2nd Tournament! Thu, 02 June 2005 06:46
I see a sence in reseeding. It was used in 1st tournament and I didn't see any changes in rules? And rek has agreed we do it now too, so maybe we can change the rules just in the 3rd tournament if we want.

But I see a sence in the suggestion of onyx puffin.

Did I understood it correctly?
thekid would play against the winner of unknowniac (16) vs yaron (17)
Then if he won, he would play against the winner of this group
Anu_ (9) vs tex23bm (24)
Razamanaz ( 8 ) vs Peter de Zeeuw (25)

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But I don't see any idea in a system, where the numbers 1,2 wouldn't have any possibility to meet just in the finals.

And numbers 1,2,3,4 should not meet at very early state.

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And if some sports thing is using a bad system, I don't think it is a reason that we should do it too. (sorry sport fans Rolling Eyes )

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Re:2nd Tournament! Thu, 02 June 2005 06:57
pilke wrote on Wed, 01 June 2005 23:46

I see a sence in reseeding. It was used in 1st tournament and I didn't see any changes in rules?


pilke, it may have looked like there was reseeding, but we were just following a direct bracket. A look at the first post of the "1st tournament" thread shows:

rek{} wrote on Thu, 28 April 2005 09:25


Here are the matchups:

thekid - playercrams
Zugbegleiterin - El Soyokaze
rek18{blöcker} - SKMorefield
br'er rabbit - Optimus


The winner of thekid/playercrams played the winner of the group after him and the winner of the rek/SKM match played the winner of the next group. That's how the bracket worked without any reseedings. Rank only determines the initial seedings, and it's all moving down the line from there. This is how I'd like it to be.

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Re:2nd Tournament! Thu, 02 June 2005 07:08
No ELS, I remember asking rek during first tournament, and the answer was reseeding. I don't think I can have that bad memory (I hope at least Very Happy )

So If you wouldn't have won against zug, thekid would have played against optimus, not zug. (ELS, notice that I remember now what you taught me about english Wink Thanks!)

[grammar corrected]

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