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A bit disjointed but you hopefully get the ideas... Fri, 17 August 2012 13:30
On a more serious note. This is my Reply to Sysy's PM, thought i'd post here to see what people thought. More useful to see everyone's opinion than to just get Julien's (no offence!) The questions were:

1) Are 3 or 4 TNTs realistic in a Nation's Cup ?
2) Should we keep the rules about TNTs as they are or modify them ?
3) Should their be more criteria for teams to form a TNT : countries nearby, people getting along together, common interest...etc ?
4) Should we fancy stuff out of the box ? ie : changing the whole concept of the tourney ? Let Players eligible for TNTs to join any national team they want ? Smaller teams (3, 4 players in the lineup ?) ? Players OK to play twice for a team in a week ?

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Hi Sysy... Out of the right order, but anyway... I'm similar to you - I don't have a precise opinion on all aspects, but moreover I can't really see the exact problem and what people (majority) would like to see done. Therefore tough to give a solution but anyway....

Point 3) For me personally as you know, I had a great NC last year and our team glued really well together. All of us had our most fun tournament ever and despite being from different countries I think UKB showed more team spirit than most non-TNTs. We pretty much all showed up to watch every game and support. I'm therefore thinking that TNTs being from geographically close countries is a bad idea, or at least un-necessary. UK and greece are a fair way apart and Belgium has little to do with us other than taking all our EU fees in Brussels... Razz

Take Britain... The only country I feel a remotely close geographical tie to is Ireland and lots of Irish people hate Britain with passion. My favourite and nearest 'European' country is France and not very far away - but there isnt likely to be an Anglo-Franco TNT. At the end of the day, france has a different language, currency, politics, well everything... Little in common except both countries like French women Razz And theres just one player (Bean) from Ireland so we couldnt make a TNT with just the two of us...

Where would you say is close to uk? ok if youre Swiss you have a wealth of choice... but not me... nearest countries west of Ireland are USA/Canada/Iceland, go North in a straight line and it's probably South Africa! If you allow TNTs, best criteria is 'getting along'. The tournament is to be enjoyed!

Point 2) Well I'd personally like to compete as UKB again as we enjoyed it so much, but at the same time I do realise it may be necessary to change the rules to allow more nations to compete. I haven't got my own ideal solution to this. Tough to come up with an answer until it is decided exactly what the problem is and what wants to be done about it. I'm not sure all players even agree there is a problem. Lots already in National teams dont mind playing TNTs at all - it's more games for them. The only rule suggestion I think is ridiculous is Kasi's suggestion of lineups being submitted based on when players can play. That is not in the players' interest having a set slot. For example I played a few daytime games etc. Maybe no-one in the team can play friday evening - then games are manually arranged anyway. Takes away any sort of skill in selecting your lineup. The germans often like to play their best player as rank 1 in lineup... We might feel we tactically have a better chance playing our weakest player as rank 1, and trying to win the other games with our stronger players...

Also the suggestion of 3 players in a team. For me this is ridiculous. There are 142 active german players on the NC list and another 12 good inactive ones. potential of 51 teams (ok unrealistic) just so UK can compete on its own. Seems a bit mad.

My only strong feeling is quite bold... If you take away the options of a TNT or make a team only 3 players strong so it has to compete with potentially 3 weak players then I feel your nation can ONLY have 1 team in the tournament to make it a level playing field for all nations... Germany doesn't have 2 football teams in the World cup... Well it did a long time back, remember 1966? It doesnt seem right that rules would be changed in this case so that the three UK players are in a 1-nation team and other countries can have ridiculous numbers of entries. Changing to a 3-player team would just about allow for one UK team but at least double the number of prospective teams from the big nations.


Point 1) I havent played in a wholly National team... I cant say that I would or wouldnt be annoyed at the number of transnat teams... Surely the spirit is to try and let the best people compete. UKB were ALL of Britain, ALL of belgium and ALL of Greece. We asked Hrundi/Greek to play (declined), davedavis was/is Belgian. We did everything to the rules. Didnt just select top players like a CL team like some people suggested. Was my first NC and tournament and tried my best to get a team together.

Having said that... IF the Faroe Islands had the worlds best sprinter, he couldnt compete in the 4x100m relay with other nations...

I think I'm right in saying the big 2 team tournaments are CL and NC. If you get rid of TNT teams in the NC (ie britain cant enter) then CL rules should be altered so I could, for example play with phil or steal stemayf from that crappy g70 Smile


Sorry it's long, but i try to answer properly Smile I did read all the comments on this thread before posting my opinions. Any rule change that forces me to play with Truck is great... Laughing

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I think in summary... The only ways Britain/Swiss/Austria etc can compete as 1 nation are
a) teams are of 3
b) players can play twice

For me, I've explained why i dont like point a). 1 UK team vs 10+ german teams seems like a stupid idea. As for point b) what does Kostas do? play every match?! i'd bet on him!

Is there a TNT option C? I wouldnt like it personally as it'd split up my team. But all TNT players are placed into a hat and teams are drawn. Would mean splitting up UK players, but sort of a fair way of allowing people to play maybe? Doesnt give TNT players any sort of advantage??
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Hope I may have helped a little from point of a TNT. I want to compete!

King Will
      

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