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Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion Sun, 09 September 2012 00:43
AT_dea1 wrote on Sat, 08 September 2012 04:57

Each match, players plays like it is a Best of 7 Series, BUT stop after 6 games. Thus each player will get 3 starts if it goes to the end. Possible outcomes (without any ties) would be 4-0, 4-1, 4-2, 3-3. Since we really only care about whether the match was a Win (1 point), Loss (0 points), or a Tie (.5 points), no need to play all 6 games if not needed.

Disagree
a) Because we do care about games won when it comes to tiebraker



We care, BUT we don't need all games to count as I explained - i.e. 6-0 vs. a weaker opponent is too much of an advantage in tie breakers if all games count. Of course if we went with my suggestion for Tie breakers I mention in the KO round, we don't even have to worry about games won/loss at all, which would be an improvement I think.
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b) Because I think the weaker player should be given 6 chances to win a game instead of only 4. When you play a clearly stronger opponent your wish may be "hope I can win at least one..." - and you can be proud and happy, if you do.
Some good players tend to lessen their concentration once they have secured a match win, so chances for the weaker player to win a game or 2 may even be higher in the last 2 games.



Why? In all the other NCs weaker players only got 3 chances to win a game, now they would have 4. But like I said playing all 6 games doesn't change my other suggestions, so go ahead and play 6. I only mentioned it because there are players out there that don't like long matches.
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Game 1 starting player would be random, then alternate.

Agree

Teams with highest point total after RR go on to KO round.

sure

Tie Breaker for getting into the Knockout Rounds:

1.) Games won, BUT for each match the Games won is capped at 3! This would mimic past NCs where the RR was best of 5 and thus couldn't win more than 3 games in a match. (It's not fair for a lower ranked/new to NC player to play against a top ranked player and get slaughtered 0-6 and have that weigh so heavily in the tie breaker).


Disagree
for example let's compare 2*4 match results:
Team A: 4:3, 4:3, 4:3, 3:4 = 12 points
Team B: 4:0, 4:0, 4:0, 2:4 = 11 points
IMHO THAT is unfair towards weaker players, as the whole burden is on them - it doesn't weigh anything how convincing the wins of the good players were, all that matters is how many games the weak players won.
This is also a good example, why I consider it important to have all games played. Had player #4 of Team B been given the chance to play the 7th game, he may have achieved a 3:4 and thus the decisive extra point.


I don't understand your example as Team A played 7 game matches which isn't possible in my suggestions. Or are you trying to compare 6 game matches to 7 game matches? Need to explain your example better and compare it to past NC format as that would show what will be different this year.

With my suggestion, the games played tie breaker numbers will help weaker players. Maybe we don't want this, which is fine, but it doesn't hurt them.

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2.) If still a tie, look at head to head match (if more than 2 teams skip this). If that was a tie, look at head to head games between teams.

Agree.
More than that, I'd prefer to have head to head be the first tiebraker ahead of games won


I would too, but what if 3 teams are tied for the last slot of the KO. Team A beat Team B, Team B beat Team C, and Team C beat Team A. Then what? We go to games won next? But that can be a big mess. Don't want to type out long example to show it right now. By using it as the 2nd tie breaker there is a lot less chance of having 3 teams tied at this point.
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If that is a tie, then higher seeded team.

Disagree
a) I don't like ELO to decide anything anyhow
b) If we really did that, it should be the other way round - the lower seeded team has achieved more if they managed to be as good as the higher seeded team, so they should be rewarded.


I do not like the idea of lower seeded getting awarded for anything. That leads to tanking of scores. I agree ELO shouldn't be used for anything, but it is used for initial seeding, and unless that is changed then I don't see why it can't be used for a tie breaker that will most likely never come into play.
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Knockout Phase: Clash between teams is 4 Matches.

When sending in the line up, captains assign an additional rank 1-4 to each player (to be used as a tie breaker) with 4 being best.

Example:
Slot 1: Player A - Rank 3
Slot 2: Player B - Rank 1
Slot 3: Player C - Rank 4
Slot 4: Player D - Rank 2


Clash played same as RR just different tie breaker rules.

Tie breaker for winning KO round:

1. Multiply each player's match points (i.e. 1,.5 or 0) by their rank. Highest team point total advances.


possible

But I'd prefer pegaso's suggestion
For the final - CL tie break
For the rest: b) first and after a.2)



Pegaso's suggestion is good and I used that for my idea, but I think mine is an improvement that still retains the same feel as other NCs. It doesn't require more games or matches played - which I'm sure will cause scheduling problems. And it doesn't lock in which match is the most important. Sure it would be interesting to have the best player of each team play each other (i.e. put in the #1 board slot because that's the one that counts for tie breaker), but I personally don't want a match decided this way. I want the whole team involved (in the tie breaker equation) and have it not obvious which match is the most important.
      

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  NC 2012 : Rules and discussion SysyphusMon, 13 August 2012 18:56
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  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule World ChampionMon, 13 August 2012 19:48
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule ACP MiguelMon, 13 August 2012 19:50
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule SysyphusMon, 13 August 2012 20:45
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule ACP MiguelMon, 13 August 2012 21:14
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule Flop KasiTue, 14 August 2012 08:02
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule SysyphusWed, 15 August 2012 22:24
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule onyx puffin LOLWed, 15 August 2012 23:21
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule DrakeStormThu, 16 August 2012 01:20
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule chrismmm_1987Thu, 16 August 2012 03:33
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule JenAckThu, 16 August 2012 09:08
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule ACP MiguelThu, 16 August 2012 15:27
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule SysyphusThu, 16 August 2012 20:43
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule RUS WillFri, 17 August 2012 12:09
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule RMarkesFri, 17 August 2012 13:31
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule dea1Thu, 16 August 2012 20:50
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule FLOP HeckiFri, 17 August 2012 00:29
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule Mr BeanFri, 17 August 2012 01:20
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule SysyphusFri, 17 August 2012 01:46
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule chrismmm_1987Fri, 17 August 2012 02:25
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule RFAD - Saint-EmilionFri, 17 August 2012 03:48
  A bit disjointed but you hopefully get the ideas... RUS WillFri, 17 August 2012 13:30
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule RUS WillFri, 17 August 2012 13:51
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule TruckertellerFri, 17 August 2012 14:36
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule RMarkesFri, 17 August 2012 15:24
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule QorlasFri, 17 August 2012 18:26
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule RUS WillFri, 17 August 2012 19:02
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule Mr BeanFri, 17 August 2012 21:31
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule ACP MiguelFri, 17 August 2012 22:17
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule blubesFri, 17 August 2012 23:18
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule ACP MiguelSat, 18 August 2012 00:03
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule QorlasSat, 18 August 2012 08:35
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule JenAckSun, 19 August 2012 00:59
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule SysyphusSun, 19 August 2012 02:25
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule ACP MiguelSun, 19 August 2012 22:13
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule dea1Sun, 19 August 2012 23:44
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule onyx puffin LOLMon, 20 August 2012 06:06
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule DrakeStormMon, 20 August 2012 08:55
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule toutoune - MorgonMon, 20 August 2012 10:41
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule Angel 6Mon, 20 August 2012 12:31
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule RFAD - Saint-EmilionMon, 20 August 2012 13:09
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule onyx puffin LOLMon, 20 August 2012 15:00
  Re: If 4 players, rules that must be changed: onyx puffin LOLMon, 20 August 2012 15:11
  Re: If 4 players, rules that must be changed: SysyphusMon, 20 August 2012 18:01
  Re: If 4 players, rules that must be changed: dea1Mon, 20 August 2012 22:27
  Re: If 4 players, rules that must be changed: FLOP HeckiMon, 20 August 2012 23:07
  Re: If 4 players, rules that must be changed: blubesTue, 21 August 2012 00:21
  Re: If 4 players, rules that must be changed: SysyphusTue, 21 August 2012 00:05
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule tippmausTue, 21 August 2012 11:24
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule Flop KasiTue, 21 August 2012 11:27
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule RMarkesTue, 21 August 2012 11:54
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule JenAckTue, 21 August 2012 13:21
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule QorlasTue, 21 August 2012 23:07
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule RUS WillWed, 22 August 2012 13:20
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule ACP MiguelWed, 22 August 2012 15:13
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule Flop KasiWed, 22 August 2012 16:02
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule ACP MiguelWed, 22 August 2012 16:08
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule Flop KasiWed, 22 August 2012 16:12
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule ACP MiguelWed, 22 August 2012 16:17
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule SysyphusWed, 22 August 2012 18:23
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule SysyphusThu, 23 August 2012 04:30
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule onyx puffin LOLThu, 23 August 2012 06:12
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and schedule CAT-pegasoThu, 23 August 2012 10:19
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion DrakeStormThu, 23 August 2012 10:16
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion QorlasThu, 23 August 2012 12:11
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion Angel 6Thu, 23 August 2012 13:14
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion dea1Thu, 23 August 2012 13:40
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion SysyphusThu, 23 August 2012 18:09
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion SysyphusThu, 23 August 2012 18:42
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion TruckertellerFri, 24 August 2012 00:22
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion RMarkesSat, 25 August 2012 15:06
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion SysyphusSat, 25 August 2012 18:46
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion SysyphusMon, 27 August 2012 20:40
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion FLOP HeckiMon, 27 August 2012 23:33
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion dea1Tue, 28 August 2012 00:22
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion SysyphusTue, 28 August 2012 06:12
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion QorlasTue, 28 August 2012 08:49
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion SysyphusThu, 30 August 2012 17:52
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion QorlasThu, 30 August 2012 18:17
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion dea1Thu, 30 August 2012 19:17
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion onyx puffin LOLThu, 30 August 2012 21:49
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion dea1Fri, 31 August 2012 00:27
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion SysyphusFri, 31 August 2012 01:19
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion SysyphusThu, 06 September 2012 05:42
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion QorlasThu, 06 September 2012 07:48
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion SysyphusThu, 06 September 2012 15:11
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion onyx puffin LOLThu, 06 September 2012 15:18
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion dea1Thu, 06 September 2012 17:11
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion Flop KasiThu, 06 September 2012 21:40
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion JenAckThu, 06 September 2012 22:13
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion CAT-pegasoThu, 06 September 2012 23:46
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion SysyphusFri, 07 September 2012 00:42
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion dea1Fri, 07 September 2012 10:40
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion Flop KasiFri, 07 September 2012 11:10
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion SysyphusFri, 07 September 2012 15:32
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion DrakeStormSat, 08 September 2012 02:42
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion dea1Sat, 08 September 2012 13:57
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion  DrakeStormSun, 09 September 2012 00:43
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion dea1Sun, 09 September 2012 12:55
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion ACP MiguelSun, 09 September 2012 22:11
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion SysyphusSun, 09 September 2012 22:41
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion dea1Sun, 09 September 2012 23:41
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion DrakeStormTue, 11 September 2012 03:46
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion SysyphusThu, 13 September 2012 01:29
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion SysyphusTue, 18 September 2012 02:40
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion DrakeStormTue, 18 September 2012 03:56
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion SysyphusTue, 18 September 2012 04:16
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion Elric - SancerreThu, 20 September 2012 00:34
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion SysyphusSat, 22 September 2012 20:30
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion LucullupusSat, 22 September 2012 20:57
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion dea1Sun, 23 September 2012 22:47
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion SysyphusSun, 23 September 2012 23:30
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion RFAD - Saint-EmilionTue, 25 September 2012 19:07
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion ACP MiguelSun, 30 September 2012 12:42
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion KnockandoSun, 30 September 2012 17:42
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion onyx puffin LOLSun, 30 September 2012 21:04
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion ACP MiguelMon, 01 October 2012 01:41
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion OLE MasimoMon, 01 October 2012 09:27
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion SysyphusMon, 01 October 2012 15:46
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion dea1Mon, 01 October 2012 15:54
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion KnockandoMon, 01 October 2012 16:17
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion SysyphusMon, 01 October 2012 16:30
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion KnockandoMon, 01 October 2012 17:41
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion SysyphusMon, 01 October 2012 18:44
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion KnockandoMon, 01 October 2012 19:13
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion dea1Mon, 01 October 2012 23:48
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion Mr BeanTue, 02 October 2012 08:38
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion SysyphusWed, 03 October 2012 20:13
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion DrakeStormThu, 15 November 2012 06:41
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion SysyphusThu, 15 November 2012 10:36
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion onyx puffin LOLThu, 15 November 2012 15:14
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion RMarkesFri, 23 November 2012 00:18
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion OLE MasimoFri, 23 November 2012 09:07
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion Mr BeanSat, 24 November 2012 11:20
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion SysyphusSat, 24 November 2012 13:46
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion dea1Sat, 24 November 2012 13:53
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion SysyphusSat, 24 November 2012 14:11
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion dea1Sat, 24 November 2012 14:25
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion OLE MasimoTue, 27 November 2012 12:42
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion dea1Tue, 27 November 2012 14:31
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion World ChampionMon, 10 September 2012 03:32
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion DrakeStormTue, 11 September 2012 02:07
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion Flop KasiMon, 10 September 2012 08:24
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion ACP MiguelMon, 10 September 2012 10:31
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion QorlasMon, 10 September 2012 10:42
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion RMarkesMon, 10 September 2012 22:38
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion SysyphusTue, 11 September 2012 02:46
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion DrakeStormTue, 18 September 2012 03:33
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules discussion DrakeStormTue, 18 September 2012 03:53
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion KnockandoMon, 24 September 2012 07:38
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion MaximouR - GingletTue, 13 November 2012 05:03
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion LucullupusTue, 13 November 2012 10:23
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion QorlasSat, 24 November 2012 14:21
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion DrakeStormSat, 24 November 2012 15:29
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion DrakeStormSat, 24 November 2012 15:53
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion chrismmm_1987Sun, 25 November 2012 00:15
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion OLE MasimoMon, 26 November 2012 10:05
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion Mr BeanMon, 26 November 2012 23:38
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion SysyphusTue, 27 November 2012 01:44
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion OLE MasimoTue, 27 November 2012 11:38
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion DrakeStormWed, 28 November 2012 18:49
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion OLE MasimoThu, 29 November 2012 11:09
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion TruckertellerTue, 27 November 2012 13:16
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion RUS WillTue, 27 November 2012 13:41
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion TruckertellerTue, 27 November 2012 13:38
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion SysyphusTue, 27 November 2012 15:16
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion TruckertellerTue, 27 November 2012 15:19
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion Elric - SancerreTue, 27 November 2012 15:38
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion LMAA-DNTue, 27 November 2012 17:28
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion TruckertellerTue, 27 November 2012 13:48
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion GenuineFauxFarm-CIATue, 27 November 2012 18:00
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion SysyphusTue, 27 November 2012 18:43
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion RUS WillWed, 28 November 2012 02:39
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion CAT-pegasoSat, 01 December 2012 13:34
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion CAT-pegasoSat, 01 December 2012 16:39
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion CAT-pegasoSat, 01 December 2012 17:22
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion CAT-pegasoSat, 01 December 2012 17:40
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion SysyphusWed, 05 December 2012 03:42
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion SysyphusSun, 09 December 2012 17:56
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion LMAA-DNMon, 10 December 2012 00:47
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion DrakeStormMon, 10 December 2012 07:32
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion dea1Mon, 10 December 2012 11:17
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion RUS WillTue, 11 December 2012 03:18
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion SysyphusTue, 11 December 2012 04:27
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion TruckertellerTue, 11 December 2012 17:01
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion RUS WillWed, 12 December 2012 11:56
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion TruckertellerWed, 12 December 2012 13:15
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion ACP MiguelWed, 12 December 2012 13:16
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion RUS WillWed, 28 November 2012 02:48
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion RUS WillWed, 28 November 2012 03:55
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion onyx puffin LOLWed, 28 November 2012 04:25
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion stemayfWed, 28 November 2012 13:16
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion SysyphusWed, 28 November 2012 15:32
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion dea1Wed, 28 November 2012 17:29
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion CAT-pegasoSat, 01 December 2012 13:14
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion BTB CromzeWed, 28 November 2012 20:28
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion Mr BeanWed, 28 November 2012 20:55
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion Angel 6Thu, 29 November 2012 12:53
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion GSV3Thu, 29 November 2012 13:11
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion RUS WillThu, 29 November 2012 14:42
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion JenAckThu, 29 November 2012 14:47
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion BTB CromzeThu, 29 November 2012 14:58
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion SysyphusThu, 29 November 2012 15:34
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion RUS WillThu, 29 November 2012 19:14
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion QorlasMon, 10 December 2012 11:25
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion RUS WillTue, 11 December 2012 14:24
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion SYN Stephan1972Thu, 13 December 2012 00:50
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion GSV3Thu, 13 December 2012 13:28
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion SYN Stephan1972Thu, 13 December 2012 13:44
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion TruckertellerThu, 13 December 2012 14:55
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion dea1Thu, 13 December 2012 15:28
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion TruckertellerFri, 14 December 2012 15:12
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion SysyphusFri, 14 December 2012 15:45
  Re:NC 2012 : Truck makes misplaced comparisons TruckertellerThu, 13 December 2012 15:44
  Re:NC 2012 : Truck makes misplaced comparisons dea1Thu, 13 December 2012 16:24
  Thread needs to be clearer SysyphusFri, 14 December 2012 02:00
  Wordings SysyphusFri, 14 December 2012 02:52
  Re:Wordings dea1Fri, 14 December 2012 13:36
  Re:Wordings GSV3Fri, 14 December 2012 14:28
  Re:Wordings BTB CromzeSun, 16 December 2012 17:42
  Re:Wordings TruckertellerSun, 16 December 2012 18:05
  Re:Wordings SysyphusSun, 16 December 2012 19:38
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion TruckertellerFri, 14 December 2012 14:24
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion TruckertellerFri, 14 December 2012 16:00
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion GSV3Fri, 14 December 2012 18:08
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion KnockandoMon, 17 December 2012 13:23
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion GSV3Mon, 17 December 2012 16:26
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion SysyphusMon, 17 December 2012 18:38
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