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Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion Tue, 27 November 2012 15:16
Truckerteller wrote on Tue, 27 November 2012 05:38

Sysyphus wrote on Sat, 22 September 2012 20:30



2nd round of draft :
In order to make it more random, and also more fun for the community, the team just picked would then choose their next opponent.
To preserve balance, Group C (team #21) would be first to pick in that round, then followed by B and A.





Bad proposal. Who's to say team A, B and C (presumably the three strongest teams, but that's debatable to begin with) will come up with a balanced draft ? Maybe Elric is in a particularly funny mood picking the strongest 6 opponents for Red to all play in a group together. Maybe teams vote because they don't want to meet / have to schedule with players they realy don't like.


Bad proposal because you read it bad Wink !

Pretty much like what you propose. 3 teams are top 3 seeds.
Following your idea, UEG, TuS to which you add the winner or the runner-up from previous NC.

Then they start the draft of their group by picking their first opponent, probably a weak one, for instance teama #21, #22, #18. When each group has picked an opponent, then teama #21, #22, #18 have to pick a team in their group.

Quite close to top 3 teams and then "who cares" that you propose + it has the advantadge to add the perception factor of the strength of a team.
If you add some constraints (number of teams of the same country by group for instance), then you have the flexibility that rigid ELO can not offer.

Moreover, since EPRS' tool is obsolet, the seeding is not readable nor transparent...

Quote:


and SOS (seeded 9th from the bottom) did a little better than expected, while AMD and Red pretty much sucked.



When I'd agree with "For the rest, who cares", I had to comment on this.

You then have the great role. SOS is seeded #13 and gets the qualification, so they played way better than AMD seeded #5 (with me, Drake and onyx (!) way overrated for whatever reasons), not qualified, who sucked because they were one match shorter than the team 1st in the group !

Yes, we didn't play well overall... but SOS with a similar lineup (and many would think stronger with Bean, you and Patterson, against Drake, ommie and me...) won one more match and less games than AMD, and you say that you did better than expected and that we sucked in RR ?

In the end SOS sucked as much as AMD !

[Mis à jour le: Tue, 27 November 2012 15:18]

      

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  Re: If 4 players, rules that must be changed: dea1Mon, 20 August 2012 22:27
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  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion RUS WillWed, 12 December 2012 11:56
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  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion RUS WillThu, 29 November 2012 19:14
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  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion SYN Stephan1972Thu, 13 December 2012 13:44
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  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion TruckertellerFri, 14 December 2012 15:12
  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion SysyphusFri, 14 December 2012 15:45
  Re:NC 2012 : Truck makes misplaced comparisons TruckertellerThu, 13 December 2012 15:44
  Re:NC 2012 : Truck makes misplaced comparisons dea1Thu, 13 December 2012 16:24
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  Re:NC 2012 : Rules and discussion TruckertellerFri, 14 December 2012 14:24
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