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Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Fri, 28 December 2007 16:34
Hi friends. I hope you all had a wonderful Christmas! Very Happy I just got my Air Pack and I'll be looking through that for the rest of the week!

I have a question for anyone out there who wants to help out. My brother-in-law wants to buy me some tanks that will work for M44 and I know that the scale for tanks are 144...right? Rolling Eyes Razz My question is, do people have favorite sites that sell good tanks or a favorite kind of tank that I should be sure I get?

Thanks for your help. Keep 'em flying! Laughing
      
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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Fri, 28 December 2007 16:52
I just picked up some World Tank Museum 1/144
Shermans. Really nice. Walmart sells
a line of 1/144 armor (21st Century Toys)
which are cheap if you can find them. The
other one's I've seen are Dragon's Can.do
line of WWII armor.I'm sure other people
will chime in with some good suggestions.
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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Fri, 28 December 2007 16:58
player392097 wrote on Fri, 28 December 2007 07:52

I just picked up some World Tank Museum 1/144
Shermans. Really nice. Walmart sells
a line of 1/144 armor (21st Century Toys)
which are cheap if you can find them. The
other one's I've seen are Dragon's Can.do
line of WWII armor.I'm sure other people
will chime in with some good suggestions.
Take care!


Thanks for the suggestions...I'll look into them. Does the 1/144 armor fit the board? I'm wanting to get something that can act as elite armor on a normal M44 board.
      
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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Fri, 28 December 2007 17:59
2 tanks to a hex(you might be able to squeeze 3).
If you wanted to go smaller I'm not sure as I
haven't really looked for anything. I believe
there is a company called GHQ micro armor.I've
seen their stuff and it is truly small (1/287 I'm
guessing). You could fit quite a few of those in a hex Smile
      
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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Fri, 28 December 2007 18:00
Embarassed Oh yeah,and the Perrin stuff which the
M'44 armor is modelled after. OOOPs!
      
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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Fri, 28 December 2007 18:43
Thanks for the info. I think I'll look at the Perrin stuff and maybe that Micro Armor. I think the 1/144 might be bigger than what I want for my gaming purposes. Very Happy Cool
      
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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Fri, 28 December 2007 21:16
Perrin 1/160 is the way to go

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/171449

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/171453
      
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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Fri, 28 December 2007 21:29
red_zebra wrote on Fri, 28 December 2007 12:16

Perrin 1/160 is the way to go

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/171449

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/171453



Those look great. Very Happy It looks like you have a lot of Perrin figures. Where did you get them all from? Is there a good online store with decent prices that could ship to Oregon? Rolling Eyes Cool
      
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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Sat, 29 December 2007 14:59
dont forget this great link for you own research
http://theminiaturespage.com/
      
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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Sat, 29 December 2007 15:02
this is perrin minituers contact details
Address
5944 Odana Road
Madison, Wisconsin
53719, UNITED STATES
Phone
(608) 819-0312
Fax
(608) 278-4401
Email
info@nobleminis.com
      
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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Sat, 29 December 2007 15:59
Roobarb wrote on Sat, 29 December 2007 08:59


http://theminiaturespage.com/


THANK YOU Very Happy That site is very useful.
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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Sat, 29 December 2007 16:19
Does anyone have tanks that are 1/144 scale? I'm wondering if someone could take a picture of a 1/144 scale tank next to a Memoir 44 tank so I can see the size comparison.

I'm leaning toward the Perrin tanks but maybe it would be fun to have some 1/144 tanks. Thanks for your help, guys!
      
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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Sat, 29 December 2007 18:34
Roobarb wrote on Sat, 29 December 2007 08:59

dont forget this great link for you own research
http://theminiaturespage.com/



Roo, you are a Furry Fountain of Knowledge, mate! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
      
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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Sat, 29 December 2007 18:50
Here are some good comparisons. The World Tank Museum tanks are 1/144.

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/194834

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/194833
      
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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Sat, 29 December 2007 20:00
Thanks. That's exactly what I was looking for. I knew there had to be some kind of comparison out there, I just didn't know where to look. Razz Thanks again.

After looking at the comparison in size, I've decided I'm going to get 10mm tanks to add to my game. I'm probably going to get Perrin ones...1) any advice about which tanks to get?
2) Should I get them pre-painted or paint them on my own?
3) If I get them in pieces, do I need special glue to put them together? Confused
      
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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Sat, 29 December 2007 22:37
Wow...I like those World Museum Tank too !

Anyway , they are really pricey ! U$ 19,99 Platoon Pack (5 tanks)in
here
http://store.fantasyflightgames.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIE WPROD&ProdID=319

Why DOW dont release a M44 special edition with ALL figures painted...hehe...

I think many would order even with skyhigh prices...
      
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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Sun, 30 December 2007 02:44
1) any advice about which tanks to get?

Panther and Tigers are too big, even using just one for heavy tanks. Jagdpanther IV or Hetzer are better.

2) Should I get them pre-painted or paint them on my own?
You have to assemble and paint them.

3) If I get them in pieces, do I need special glue to put them together?
"Cianoacrilate" glue.

This is where I buy my tanks
http://www.lastsquare.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=1_2_3_15_2 8

This is another shop
http://strangecargogames.com/index.php?cPath=301_262_272_273

Size comparizon for 10mm tanks
http://www.madaxeman.com/general/sherman_tank_comparison.htm
      
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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Sun, 30 December 2007 02:52
Red Zebra, thanks for the answers! Cool

So, next question. How many tanks do you use for the elite units? Do you play with one painted Perrin tank and three regular M44 tanks? I guess I'm wondering how many tanks I should try to get. Confused


I think I'll probably start out small and then build on my collection, but I'm wondering how others get their battle on! Laughing Rolling Eyes

The other thing I'm not sure of is which tanks to get for each nationality. Will the model make much of a difference in size to where they won't fit as well if I get Tiger tanks or something? Thanks for all the help fellas!

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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Sun, 30 December 2007 04:24
I use just one special tank and 3 normal tanks for heavy units.

My current collection:

2 Panthers (seldom used as they are too bigs)
2 JagdPanzers IV and 2 Panzers IV H
2 Wespes (mobile artillery)
4 SiG 33 150mm Inf. Gun (heavy artillery)
2 SdKfz 234/1 20mm Armored Car (for some SFTF)
2 Panzers II (some SFTF have light tanks units)

2 M10 Tank Destroyer (some SFTF have heavy tank units, mostly british...now that they are coming...)
2 M7 Priest (mobile artillery)
1 Long Tom (heavy artillery), Minifigs?
2 M8 Greyhound Car (for some SFTF)
2 Stuart M3 (some SFTF have light tanks units)

2 SU-85
2 KV-2 (mobile artillery or heavy tank)
2 M30 122mm howitzer (heavy artillery), Minifigs?
2 BA-10 Armored Car (for some SFTF)
2 T-70 (some SFTF have light tanks units)

1 Char B1 & 1 Somua 35...for the frenchs...

      
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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Sun, 30 December 2007 06:01
The prepainted minis are actually a good deal (world tank museum and cando dragon). The cost of Perrins is relatively high and you still have to paint them. A good site for WTM minis is www.thoughthammer.com

I've been going round and round myself about what to do to upgrade my set. I definately CANNOT paint (lack of patience and serious lack of artistic ability!!!). The world tank museum and cando dragon miniatures (both 1/144) are attractive because they come prepainted. The drawback is that they are too big.

The Perrin miniatures (10mm 1/160) are the size modelled in the game. I wish the game had been built to 1/144 scale with the hexes being 25 - 30% larger. This would have allowed 1/144 tanks.

MiniFigs offers a lot of miniatures in N-scale (a psuedo 10mm scale). Be careful when buying N-scale because the figures can range from 1/148 to 1/160. I understand that MiniFigs are on the larger size - closer to 1/144.

Unfortanately, Perrin's offerings are rather limited. Minifigs is fairly extensive. Anyway, I'm still looking at going with Perrin. Oh, there is also Pendraken minis which are from a British company in the 10mm scale.

Here are some pics of what red_zebra has done with custom minis and I think it might be a good solution for me too.

German recon
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/171473

German mobile artillery
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/171472

German light tanks
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/171471

German 105mm guns (big guns or replace the 75mm atg's that came with game)
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/171460

French Tanks
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/171459

US Long Toms, you can see the minifigs scale is probably close to 1/144 instead of 1/160 (minifigs are N-scale).
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/171462

US M7 Priest (mobile artillery)
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/135152

Soviet Armored Car
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/171457

Soviet Light Tank
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/171454

Soviet Heavy Artillery
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/171453

Soviet Heavy tank
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/171449

More Russian Heavy tanks
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/135154

US scout cars
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/171466

US Light tanks
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/171465

Here's another comparision between M44 and WTM (soviet T34)
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/194837

A good comparison between Perrin minis and the minis in M44
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/248852

THANKS for the pics red_zebra

...and, maybe Brummbar and I can work out a deal for him to paint my minis Laughing Very Happy

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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Sun, 30 December 2007 06:10
Oh, to add: I definately need Tigers for my elite tanks and KV-2 looks good too. To have these larger vehicles fit into one hex I suggest one of the following minor rule changes:

First, elite units are now two figures instead of one. Hits can be taken in one of the following two ways:

A) Heavy tanks ignore all grenade results against them. This effectively makes them 4 units large as the dice have 1/2 the probability of hitting them.

B) Heavy tanks require 2 hits in the same combat round to eliminate one figure. For example. Suppose I activate 3 units and they all fire on the heavy tank. The first unit scores one hit, the second unit scores 1 hit. The third unit scores one hit. Since 2 hits were scored, 1 figure is removed. The last hit is ignored. This also has the effect of making 2 figures into 4 figures.

      
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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Sun, 30 December 2007 13:11
Another way to work out this size/scale problem is to play like we do in Vassal. You put only one mini at the hex but with a counter anexed .

Every unit starts with a 4 value counter. Take a hit , replace it for a 3 value and so on...

The game will be even more abstract but you can use a larger mini.

Theres a third option : I dont like to setup my scenarios. Im thinking in scan the map , make it a litter bigger in Photoshop and them print in a large printer .

Just like DoW does at tournaments ... Of course I would scan my terrain hexes too, so I can setup all my desired scenarios in my PC , then print and play without the need to setup the boards.

Or...maybe DoW is thinking in releasing a pre-painted pack of minis for M44 hehee
      
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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Sun, 30 December 2007 16:42
I like all those images you shared from BGG. Where did you get the plastic Perrin figures because I've only seen them in metal online. Do you use house rules for things like the heavy tanks and light tanks?
      
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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Mon, 31 December 2007 06:25
My Perrins are not plastic. Very Happy I painted them the same color as M44 figures. It is easier and faster than painting realistic figures like others did (I still have to finish my Battlecry figures, after I finish with my 1/300 WW1 airplanes, and my Games Workshop armies, and...).
Besides I wanted to keep that Toy Soldier Look from my youth. I guess that I have run full circle from playing with unpainted Airfix soldiers to painted metal minis and back again!

And now I have the Airpack with painted minis...
Rolling Eyes

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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Mon, 31 December 2007 15:29
red_zebra wrote on Sun, 30 December 2007 21:25

My Perrins are not plastic. Very Happy I painted them the same color as M44 figures.


Nice work matching the colors! I totally thought they were plastic figures that were made the same way as the M44 tanks we have. Laughing

I haven't been playing war board games long enough to have gone in any kind of circle, let alone full circle, so good luck with that...I hope you don't get dizzy! Laughing I've really enjoyed painting my figures, but that's just me.

I'm able to sit and work on my mini's while my wife does real art! It's great. I look forward to expanding my experience to tanks. Thanks for the help in this area guys.
      
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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Mon, 31 December 2007 20:28
Did you spray paint them or brush paint them? They (especially US and German) look so consistent in color that it makes me think they are spray painted.

What colors did you use to get such good matches?

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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Tue, 01 January 2008 01:46
Brush painted, no base coat (I normally prime my miniatures), spray painted in Testor satin finish for the "plastic look".

Used my old Humbrol paints:
US: 88 Matt Deck Green
Germans: 157 Azure Blue
Soviets: 118 Matt US Tan
      
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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Wed, 02 January 2008 04:20
Thanks, what color would you use for the Japanese?

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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Wed, 02 January 2008 04:41
I would try H-71 Satin Oak
      
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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Wed, 02 January 2008 16:40
What model of tank (Tiger, Panther, Matilda, Sherman, etc) do you guys recommend to represent my elite tanks? I'm going to start my collection with just a few for each major power and I'm not sure which ones would be best. Confused

Thanks again for all the help and advice! I hope everyone had a great New Years. Welcome to 2008!! Razz I wonder what it will bring for M44. Rolling Eyes

Roob, did I hear you say the "British Expansion"?! Very Happy
      
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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Mon, 07 January 2008 07:02
rasmussen81 wrote on Wed, 02 January 2008 15:40


Roob, did I hear you say the "British Expansion"?! Very Happy


hmm ? where we envolved?
      
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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Mon, 07 January 2008 20:47
Roobarb wrote on Sun, 06 January 2008 22:02

rasmussen81 wrote on Wed, 02 January 2008 15:40


Roob, did I hear you say the "British Expansion"?! Very Happy


hmm ? where we envolved?


I guess you Brits were involved a little bit. I've heard tell of this little thing called the "Battle of Britain" and since the name of your country is in it, I assume it has something to do with the Brits. Very Happy I'm not really up on my WWII history though, so maybe not... Razz I'm kidding! Laughing

So, Roobarb, what British tank (or tanks) should I get to represent elite British Armor? I might as well ask the expert! Smile
      
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Re:Memoir 44 Workable Tanks Tue, 08 January 2008 02:28
rasmussen81 wrote on Mon, 07 January 2008 19:47

Roobarb wrote on Sun, 06 January 2008 22:02

rasmussen81 wrote on Wed, 02 January 2008 15:40


Roob, did I hear you say the "British Expansion"?! Very Happy


hmm ? where we envolved?


I guess you Brits were involved a little bit. I've heard tell of this little thing called the "Battle of Britain" and since the name of your country is in it, I assume it has something to do with the Brits. Very Happy I'm not really up on my WWII history though, so maybe not... Razz I'm kidding! Laughing

So, Roobarb, what British tank (or tanks) should I get to represent elite British Armor? I might as well ask the expert! Smile


would not call my self an expert but seeing as you ask
for me its a churchill
but hay half the fun is figering this stuff out for your self hears the link your looking for Smile
http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/

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