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Scottish Wars Scenarios Historical Versions Fri, 04 January 2008 08:48
Will there be official, purely historical versions of the Scottish Wars scenarios posted at some point?
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Scenarios Historical Versions Fri, 04 January 2008 14:45
I doubt it - people wouldn't have the same reason to buy the expansion then!

There are some fan versions out there though... I believe I saw a fan-made sterling bridge scenario with the hill troll as William Wallace that looked interesting.
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Scenarios Historical Versions Fri, 04 January 2008 14:59
Not quite historical though! lol

If there were purely historical versions online it would give even more reason to buy the expansion.
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Scenarios Historical Versions Fri, 04 January 2008 15:45
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From what I gather, these are the historical battles. With Dwarves?!? Yes. They should be played with the Medieval Lore deck as opposed to the War Council Lore deck. if the Dwarves being on the field are still too much for you, you can try trading them out with human units but find someway to mark the special abilities of the Clan Chiefs and Cavalry. All units would be Bold. (All on the Scottish side of course)
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Scenarios Historical Versions Fri, 04 January 2008 15:56
Hmm... this appears to be a middle ground between strictly historical and full-on fantasy. Medieval Lore rules are in effect, but even the historical commentary talks about dwarves...

I don't know the battles well enough right now to comment on how much tweaking they might need to become strictly historical. I guess I'll just put it on my list of projects!

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Re:Scottish Wars Scenarios Historical Versions Fri, 04 January 2008 19:27
I think it is in the rulebook itself where they describe that the Dwarves ARE the Scots. And while this may not be ideal, the characteristics they gave the dwarves is something they would have given the Scots anyway. Or something to that effect was the impression I got.
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Scenarios Historical Versions Fri, 04 January 2008 19:41
I'm sure any Scottish players will find that very interesting Shocked

It's clear the dwarves as a fantasy race in Battlelore come from Scotland, but they've never been passed off as actual Scotsmen to my knowledge. But bull-riding dwarves is not the kind of imagery I'd want in an historical battle. Perhaps the clans would rate the same characteristics as you suggest, which is fine.

Who is the scenario designer? Any comment from there?
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Scenarios Historical Versions Sat, 05 January 2008 05:02
My understanding is that the dwarves are actually the Scotsman, not just that the dwarves happen to be from Scotland as well (c'mon, they've got beards, they wear kilts, they've got a difficult accent...). Just as the Saracens have been replaced by goblins. At some point we may see Germans, Finns, Italians, maybe other nationalities--and I expect all of them will be represented by some fantasy race. Since the bulk of the conflict was between Britain and France, the humans represent the bulk of the forces. But it seems as though all international forces are going to be fantasy races. Of course, there was talk at some point of using 2008 to expand more upon the fantasy world (or Uchronia), so perhaps we'll hear more soon.
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Scenarios Historical Versions Sat, 05 January 2008 11:05
Perhaps that is true. Perhaps, in the fantasy world of Uchronia, few men live in Scotland and it is primarily a nation of dwarves. Perhaps the same is true of the Castillian goblins. But that being the case, the dwarves are not Scotsmen. They are dwarves, and their homeland is Scotland.

All of that is fine. I love the Lore aspect of this game and I'm looking forward to hearing more about Uchronia. The real issue for me is that the Scottish Wars expansion pack scenario historical notes talk of dwarves, hence the scenarios cannot be historical, despite the use of medieval Lore rules.

Now it might well be that the scenario designer, in making strictly historical versions of the scenarios, would make no changes to the deployment or the capabilities of the troops. In which case one would just substitute the word 'highlanders' for 'dwarves', and use human figures instead of dwarven ones, though they would play as dwarves in the game, and all would be well.

But that might not be the case...

[Updated on: Sat, 05 January 2008 11:05]

      
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Re:Scottish Wars Scenarios Historical Versions Mon, 07 January 2008 07:21
oh no who mensoned the R word Rolling Eyes

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Re:Scottish Wars Scenarios Historical Versions Mon, 07 January 2008 09:05
Laughing
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Scenarios Historical Versions Tue, 15 January 2008 12:24
For anyone who's interested Eric has explained a little about the Scottish Wars scenarios...

He's fairly sure they were designed by Richard to be historical versions of the battles, and that Richard would be unlikely to change anything in terms of deployment or unit capabilities if they were to be made 100% historical (i.e. dwarvish figures replaced by humans and all references to dwarves stripped out of the scenario notes).

Eric enhanced the fantasy feel in the narrative prior to publication, but made no other changes.

I suspect there aren't enough human spearmen to completely swap out the dwarfs, but there's no reason the dwarf spear-bearer banners couldn't be used on human regular infantry figures if you really want a more visually historical battle.

      
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Re:Scottish Wars Scenarios Historical Versions Tue, 15 January 2008 13:55
I am not syaing... I am just saying.... Know what I mean... Rolling Eyes
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Scenarios Historical Versions Tue, 15 January 2008 14:12
Laughing yes CF, I'll say it for you, you were right! To be fair, I did say I thought you would be. BUT... we might not have been, and there was only one way to find out.

Looking forward to getting into these scenarios and the history behind them in the fullness of time.
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Scenarios Historical Versions Tue, 15 January 2008 15:13
Very Happy
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Scenarios Historical Versions Wed, 16 January 2008 01:20
why are scotsmen dwarfs?.....to give somthing for englishmen to rest there pints on Laughing
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Scenarios Historical Versions Mon, 05 May 2008 15:52
Roobarb wrote on Wed, 16 January 2008 00:20

why are scotsmen dwarfs?.....to give somthing for englishmen to rest there pints on Laughing


I'll pay that one, Roobarb, and leave you the traditional Scottish greeting:

Now Hooch-Chooch-Och-Aye-The-Noo-An'-Up-Yer-Kilt-Wae-A-Blowlamp!

Regards,
      
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Re:Scottish Wars Scenarios Historical Versions Mon, 05 May 2008 15:59
Which nicely illustrates why the dwarves fight with the French! Laughing
      
    
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